Whiskey and Shelby

race on sunday,sell on monday!..............NOT!

 

I agree Dominic, that's kinda sorta why I'm happy I got the '07 it will always be the "first" remake so to say. But to answer the original question, yes they are building to many variations. Stick with the KISS principal.

 

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Everyone is making very good points, but if you look back at 1969 Ford had a bunch of performance cars competing against each other, and they are all very collectable cars today: Mach I's with 302, 390, 351's and 428 CJ's & SCJ's, Boss 302, Boss 429, Cobra Jet Sports Roofs, Convertibles, Shelby GT350's & 500's. That's just Mustangs, there were also Torino's, Fairlanes, Cougars. All still very desirable cars.

That being said, we didn't purchase our '07 GT500 hoping for it to be a valuable collectable, nor did we purchase our '67 GT500 to be a valuable collectable, we purchased them to drive and enjoy. If the '07 ever does become collectable I'll be too old to care!

Buy what you want, drive it, enjoy it, but don't count on anyhting appreciating in value, cars are crappy investments - typically.

 

"Instant collectible" is an oxymoron.

In 3-4 years the current Shelbys/Steeda/Bullit/etc. editions will just be used cars.

As for future value - remember the first "instant collectibles"? The 1976 Eldo convertible and the 1978 Pace Car Corvette. People snapped them up and put them away in warehouses. Now it's 30 years later and where's the value once you consider storage costs and the lost value of the money invested? The value is just not there because there are too many nice, low mileage cars available.

Same thing is going to happen with the current cars. They will be squirreled away, covered in plastic. So 30 years from now there will be plenty of them to go around (assuming you can find someone who can work on obsolete technology).

Ford/Shelby is building as many of them as they can sell - you can count on that.

 

I agree, I think it looks like alot, but we don't think it is in relation to the amount of mustangs and cobras during the 60's and Carroll, certainly had a multitude of different models as well, he had cobras, gt350, gt350R, gt500, gt500KR, a Super snake cobra, a supersnake mustang, terlingua, etc

PRE TITLES
Shelby GT 2 colors for 07 5700 units
Shelby GT for 08 2500 units
Hertz 06 and 07 1000 units total, 500 each year.


POST TITLE PACKAGES
Supersnake package for post title for limited 1000 units 07 and 08, based on a GT500
Terlingua package for post title for -08 Based on a V6 model
40th anniversary package for GT500 07 post title.

And the original cs6 and cs 8 kits and parts



Also, in relation to the number of mustangs being made, the relationship between pre title and post tile I think is a good balance. This is something We do look at, and we will make sure to keep the numbers in line to keep value


Amy

 

I work for my money. No way I'd ever pay $5000, $10,000, $15,000 over the sticker for anything. I always marveled about the then new Saleens. You know, the rare one offs, $54,000 sticker. All for sale in the Mustang trader. I too am waiting for the depreciation of the new Shelbys.
I can't figure out where they got the numbers in that new Shelby magazine. What? NO depreciation? Gimme a break.

 

Marketing Strategy--the brand managers think too short term

The previous commenter is right, that there is not enough content different from regular Mustangs in the
latest Shelby models to warrent collectibility, especially in say the Shelby GT models compared to the GT500.

If someone is buying a car hoping that down the road it will be collectible (and thus they can justify buying it besides the fun of driving)they need to have a car that had special content developed for it that is not found in the regular bread and butter models. Thus I would hope that as Ford contemplates new models for the Shelby pipeline they make sure they have
--an engine not shared by other models
--interiors that are only available in the Shelby
--their own hood, fender treatments not available on other Mustangs

Above all, tho, they have to have superior performance over other Mustangs. Ironically if you look at Shelby history, Ford went and brought out the Boss 302, a rootin' tootin' high performance car, that was more Shelby like than the Shelby in '69, so they pulled the rug out from under the Shelby's performance image.

Automaker brand managers in Detroit are notorious for being "bottom line oriented" and for them the bottom line is the 10-day sales reports so they tend to opt for packages that can be developed quickly (tapes and stripes) and which can get into the pipeline quickly which is why the latest Shelbys are more like "California Specials" than fully developed like the '65 Shelby. Someone has to get to the Ford managers and explain to them that they are squandering the Shelby image if they don't fully content the Shelbys and make them with performance and features far and above any other Mustang.

 

Re: Marketing Strategy--the brand managers think too short term

I agree bitz, the only problem is in todays world people don't care about other people, the only thing they are concerned with is the almighty dollar. You could talk to the managers until your blue in the face, they would stand there and agree with you, then laugh at ya when you leave. They have their golden parachute and you have your opinion.

Just my two cents...........
Doug

 

Mr. R is right (hey, you have the same last name as...)

OK I succumb. You're right. If Ford could have priced the GT500 at $65,000 they could have made it a more unique car in terms of its own bodywork,etc.
And even though some dealers may be trying to charge that amount for a car intended to sell for less, car makers have no control over what dealers charge . In fact one report is that over 500 Ford GTs haven't been sold yet because the dealers haven't been offered what they want yet!

So going from the viewpoint of someone who writes a lot about old cars, I can say that my best advice in buying one you hope will retain some appreciative potential is to, at the time of purchase, try and wangle something special on your car when you order it, an odd build or whatever they call it, (equiv. to the Sonic Blue Ford GT, the only one that was off the regular specs) and then if you get a package put on by Shelby be sure and document its installation (photographs?) so that later someone can't say "that's just Joe's Garage up in Fargo that put that on there" (not to knock Joe...or Fargo).

My example is the Super Snake which was built special in the first place (I know you can't do that with todays emissions testing) but look how much more it is worth than most other Shelbys today.

Also though it seems to many that they are building too many Mustangs branded as Shelby, it's not really so many as 2000 of this and 3000 of that is absolutely dwarfed in a 10-million car year. And look at the Ford GTs--some people thought 4038 units collectively in two model years was a lot but they are already rarely seen on the street, which ought to make them pretty much depreciation proof...

 

If anyone gets a chance to go to the Las Vegas Shelby shop, check out all those new blue Mustangs waiting in the parking lot. Look like there are hundreds of them. What a sight to see!

 

Ill be there Jan. 2....will gt production still be going by then?
Vern

 

Re: Mr. R is right (hey, you have the same last name as...)

I agree with most of what you said (about the GT)..but the GT was built in a very limited number. I believe they were 3800 for the US consumtion, and out of that, there might be at most 150/200 being held by dealers who are holding to a large markup(250k on most) if they sell...although a lot are just holding them for themselves. The other factor is that out of 3800...almost 800 or better have been crashed. Reducing the number available makes it a limited car. If you guys have not noticed, the prices for used GT's are around list or better. Ford decides to come out with more GT like cars, in limited numbers? the GT will suffer for sure. So the answer is, limited production of any vehicle will determine it's future value. Thinking along those terms, if I am right, a limited production run of 500......now that's a car to collect, dont you think? The shelby H cars are probably the best investment strategy for those thinking along the collectability factor.

My 2 cents.......