Need your honest opinion. I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I was considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few questions: 1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? 2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in it? 3. What transmission would you want with this motor? Your inputs are appreciated and just wondering if I would have something more than a resto-mod when finished. Thanks Henry Bone _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
In a message dated 3/16/06 19:32:19, redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes: << Need your honest opinion. I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I was considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few questions: 1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? >>>Wow. It's an awesome motor. >2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in it? >>>I would guess not nearly as much as it would be worth if it had a proper date-coded 428 PI. But it would tear the lungs out of a car so-equipped. >3. What transmission would you want with this motor? >>>If you don't care about originality, then a quality five-speed is a really nice thing to have. >Your inputs are appreciated and just wondering if I would have something more than a resto-mod when finished. >> >>>Well, what do YOU want to own/drive? This car with the aluminum motor and five-speed would really be a great car to drive. If you are more concerned about its collectibility, then sourcing an original top-loader and 428 motor would be the way to go. Either way, it won't be worth nearly as much as an all-original numbers-matching car. And so what? That just means you won't have to pay as much. And you know what? When you're driving down the road alongside somebody with a "proper" car, you'll be having just as much fun as he is! Mike
I think you need to ask what you will be doing with th car. if its a playtoy keeper then put the shelbt engine in and then hunt for the pieces for the original engine to have and put on a stand. if you are keeping for a short time and selling or want to show it then go original bob
I personally would rather have the car with the aluminum 427 5 speed setup. I might try to argue you down in value if I were trying to buy it but if it was done killer I would probably pay just as much. A friend bought a modified 67 GT500 on Ebay a few months ago and it is a ball to drive.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, red fish28 wrote: > Need your honest opinion. > > I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I was > considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few questions: > > 1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? In spite of what some have said, I think the uniqueness and power of the aluminum engine would just about equal out he value of having the original enigine. > 2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in it? > 3. What transmission would you want with this motor? I'd probably go for one of the 5 speeds. On this car I would put together the way I wanted controlling myself to keep from doing anything that could not easily be undone. You can buy the parts to build the aluminum (or whatever) engine and trans, and you can spend your time of ownership tracking down the right date code block heads, and all the other original parts. Having those parts with the car, or keeping them to one day return it to stock would give you options when it comes time to sell them. That would be my plan in your situatuion. Calvin http://hamptonroadsrotaryclub.com/ <<--our local club http://www.racecarstuff.com <<--my blog http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 <<--my ebay stuff
I having owned a 67 GT500 for almost 20 years, have followed the sales of 67 GT500's quite closely over the past 2 years. I have seen a few numbers matching cars sell for suprising low dollars compared to 4 to 5 modified, non-matching numbers cars sell for even bigger dollars. My impression of the market is that a person who REALLY knows Shelby's will pay top dollar for an excellent numbers matching car, but there are just as many people with more money than car knowledge if not more, that have to have a 67 GT500 and don't care what it costs! One of the later bought my car (427 with webers). I say, since you considered it to begin with, you must want a car to drive - go for it! Bernie S. 69 GT500 #0018 ----- Original Message ----- From: <MikeLDrew (AT) aol (DOT) com> To: <redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>; <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: 67 GT 500 > > In a message dated 3/16/06 19:32:19, redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes: > > << Need your honest opinion. > > I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I > was > considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few > questions: > > 1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? > >>>>Wow. It's an awesome motor. > >>2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in > it? > >>>>I would guess not nearly as much as it would be worth if it had a proper > date-coded 428 PI. But it would tear the lungs out of a car so-equipped. > >>3. What transmission would you want with this motor? > >>>>If you don't care about originality, then a quality five-speed is a >>>>really > nice thing to have. > >>Your inputs are appreciated and just wondering if I would have something > more than a resto-mod when finished. >> > >>>>Well, what do YOU want to own/drive? This car with the aluminum motor >>>>and > five-speed would really be a great car to drive. If you are more > concerned > about its collectibility, then sourcing an original top-loader and 428 > motor > would be the way to go. > > Either way, it won't be worth nearly as much as an all-original > numbers-matching car. And so what? That just means you won't have to pay > as much. > > And you know what? When you're driving down the road alongside somebody > with > a "proper" car, you'll be having just as much fun as he is! > > Mike >
I'm not sure why you have to have more money than car knowledge to make the decision to go with a modified car. Just because a purist might think a stock orig car is the absolute best doesn't mean it is. That is just a opinion from a purist. Many of us would love a 100% orig paint Shelby even if it was faded and scratched but I'm willing to bet there are more out there that would prefer the car be repainted and look killer in their garage. It doesn't mean they have less knowledge because they would repaint the car, just a different opinion.
Put in the aluminum 427 and paint it Ford Blue, find the right date coded parts in case you want to sell to a purist or someone that would appreciate having both set-ups, put toploader in it with stock shifter. Most folks will never know and you have a killer car. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clill8567 (AT) aol (DOT) com To: bigb427 (AT) cox (DOT) net ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: Re: 67 GT 500 I'm not sure why you have to have more money than car knowledge to make the decision to go with a modified car. Just because a purist might think a stock orig car is the absolute best doesn't mean it is. That is just a opinion from a purist. Many of us would love a 100% orig paint Shelby even if it was faded and scratched but I'm willing to bet there are more out there that would prefer the car be repainted and look killer in their garage. It doesn't mean they have less knowledge because they would repaint the car, just a different opinion.
We installed a vintage 427 sideoiler. Rick McCommon Bellaire, TX 1965 Mustang 2+2 (unrestored) 1967 Shelby GT 350 #1302 (restoration by Surefire Mustangs) 1967 Shelby GT 500 #481 (restoration by Surefire Mustangs) 2005 Explorer (daily driver) 1997 Dodge Ram Cummins Turbo Diesel 2500 4x4; tow vehicle "enhanced" by www.hotroddiesels.com http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/forums/photopost486/data/500/25465Inboards-481-11-10-05.JPG
with engines we have the option to have our cake and eat it too. you can use an original block and heads and modify the internals for more power. you can use the aluminim engine and paint it blue to hide the fact or you can just show off the aluminum angine and no matter what way you go it can be returned to as original as it will get with just a weekend engine swap. if you go with the aluminum angine I would just say to collect the parts for am original engine as they are getting harder to find all the time ( and more expensive) that way you have the option to change your mind later. for my 69 I have the original engine in a crate right down to all the pullys and brackets. the engine going in the car is a motorsport engine with aluminum heads, pullys and brackets. all aluminum parts are polished and there will be crome on the way. will it be more fun to drive...yes if I play hard I do not have toi worry about breaking the original engine. and as long as I still have the original engine I still concider it to be a numbers matching car ( even if the engine is not in the car right now). have cake...will eat it too bob
In a message dated 3/17/2006 6:46:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, dan_drury (AT) midamcorp (DOT) com writes: Put in the aluminum 427 and paint it Ford Blue, find the right date coded parts in case you want to sell to a purist or someone that would appreciate having both set-ups, put toploader in it with stock shifter. Most folks will never know and you have a killer car. I say 5 speed and put a stock looking shifter on it to hide the fact
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, RSANTER (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 6:46:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, > dan_drury (AT) midamcorp (DOT) com writes: > > Put in the aluminum 427 and paint it Ford Blue, find the right date coded > parts in case you want to sell to a purist or someone that would appreciate > having both set-ups, put toploader in it with stock shifter. Most folks will > never know and you have a killer car. > > I say 5 speed and put a stock looking shifter on it to hide the fact I agree with that. But I am a small block guy, I don't know what 5 speeds are good to run behind a 427, but it would have to be healthy. Calvin http://hamptonroadsrotaryclub.com/ <<--our local club http://www.racecarstuff.com <<--my blog http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 <<--my ebay stuff
If your just going to modify it might as well just buy a Mustang and make another clone or resto-clone. Just my opinion ... but you asked Jeff S
Henry, Just curious but is this car a Shelby? Does it have the original Shelby VIN plate? If it does have a Shelby VIN, does the Ford number match per Dave Matthews at SAAC? Is the car listed in the last Shelby Registry? Very interested in your answers. Thanks, Joe Bright. ----- Original Message ----- From: "red fish28" <redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: 67 GT 500 > Need your honest opinion. > > I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I > was considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few > questions: > > 1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? > 2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in > it? > 3. What transmission would you want with this motor? > > Your inputs are appreciated and just wondering if I would have something > more than a resto-mod when finished. > > Thanks > Henry Bone > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >
I have not seen the car, but there is a chance that it will become available. A friend that is restoring my 69 Convert has located the 67 car. So the VIN information has not been made available yet. Thanks everyone for the replies. >From: "Joe Bright" <jbb (AT) apcabinets (DOT) com> >To: "red fish28" <redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >CC: "Shelby" <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> >Subject: Re: 67 GT 500 >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:33:06 -0500 > >Henry, Just curious but is this car a Shelby? Does it have the original >Shelby VIN plate? If it does have a Shelby VIN, does the Ford number match >per Dave Matthews at SAAC? Is the car listed in the last Shelby Registry? >Very interested in your answers. Thanks, Joe Bright. >----- Original Message ----- From: "red fish28" <redfish281 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:32 PM >Subject: 67 GT 500 > > >>Need your honest opinion. >> >>I have my eyes on a 67 GT 500 that is missing the motor and tranny and I >>was considering one of Carroll's new aluminum 427 as the motor. A few >>questions: >> >>1. Anyone have opinions on the all aluminum 427 motor? >>2. Anyone have opinions on what this car might be worth with this motor in >>it? >>3. What transmission would you want with this motor? >> >>Your inputs are appreciated and just wondering if I would have something >>more than a resto-mod when finished. >> >>Thanks >>Henry Bone >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >>get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >> > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
