Jim, thanks for the reply. I agree on your points. Coming from the financial world, I unfortunately examine all of my purchases from a technical standpoint. It's not fun that way, but it does have its advantages. Cars present a problem as most purchases are emotional first...and then if you're lucky, practically analyzed. The '66 vs '67 market is pretty interesting. Can we really chalk up the popularity of the '67s due to Nicholas Cage? They made more '67 GT500s than any other model, yet the values are amongst the highest. It fails the exclusivity test. With regards to the resulting synergistic effect on other model lines (Boss 302, etc.), what is left out there that hasn't already appreciated? Torino Cobras? AMC AMX? It's a complicated scenario, but it's fun to discuss the possibilites! Thanks, Lashdeep >>LS you asked our opinion on the market for 1966 vs. 1967 Shelbys and you ended your question with: "but was looking for input on investment potential as a secondary reason for attractiveness?" The market for used Shelbys is not one that can be discussed in full detail in 25 words of less. Since the market seems to be on a upward move it seems that any thing you buy today will go up in value over time. There is also a relationship of price vs. supply vs. demand that plays a roll too. If you want to look at this from an investment point of view of course you want to buy low and sell high. Since the market is going up and assuming you buy in at an actual current market price (meaning you don't over pay at the time you buy-in) and assuming the market continues to go up, then you will make money over time. Based on these assumptions the only question will be is how long you hold your investment before you sell. Now here's where we can get into your question on the '66 vs. '67 market. As the price of a specfic collector car goes up the fewer and fewer average people will be able to buy it. Or so to speak people get priced out of the market. When people get priced out of a market then they move off to another market to fill their need. When the price of real Shelbys get too pricey then people will flock to Shelby clones, standard Mustangs, 1969-1971 Boss Mustangs, new 2007 Shelby Mustangs, specialty Mustangs (such as Saleen, Steeda for example) or different (non-Ford) brands. If you want to maximize your investment you should consider the following: - Find and buy a vehicle (Shelby or otherwise) below market value when you buy. - Buy a good deal that is a fixer upper and fix it up so you can make a profit at it. Most people would rather buy a completed than fix one up themselves. - Buy a vehicle in a related market that has just started to take off. As an example, look at the Boss 302 market in the last year or two. When the top Shelbys get priced over $100,000 then people started looking at and buying Boss 302s. Two years ago you could buy many great Boss 302s well under $30,000 and now their prices are jumping over $50,000 and rising. If you want a real 1966 Shelby then buy the 1966 Shelby. If you want a real 1967 Shelby then get the 1967 Shelby. If you want the best investment for your money over a shorter amount of time and you think $100,000 Shelbys seem a little high, then look for an alternative market like the Boss 302 that has just taking off and shows better increase potential over the same time frame. LS, does any of that make sense? Anybody else care to comment on the '66 vs. '67 discussion? Jim Seisser www.exhaust.tv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
There is one major reason the 1967's are more popular than the 1966 Shelbys. First is the big block option of the 1967. Second is that the 1967 Shelby looks different from a Mustang. Third is they are also part of the California Shelbys which some consider the "true Shelby Mustangs." Add the hype of the Gone in 60 Seconds movie and you have a self made promotion. Even Ford and Shelby understood the nature of this. The biggest complaint of the 1965 Shelby was that it looked too similar to a regular Mustang. In 1966 they added plexiglass windows and side scoops. In 1967 they added an exclusive front end and other scoops and distinguishing characteristics. 1968 kept the same theme as the 1967's, but the production moved to Michigan. Lastly in 1969, the whole front end was fiberglass and very distinctive. Still, it wasn't going to be able to compete with the Mustangs numerous models. While rarity works, there are reasons that things are more popular and are worth more because of it. Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
I agree with Lee, and to add a few more distictions on why 67 500s are attracting alot of interest, (something I figured out 20 years ago) is that it was the first year for a big block Shelby, it was the only year to have a dual 4 bbl carb set up. As mentioned, it was the last year of the California built Shelby, and the only year to use a unique taillight set up, (a Cougar taillight without the chrome bezel). Think about it, 65-66 Shelbys used regular Mustang taillights, and 68-70's used a T-Bird taillight. I have been into 67 Shelby's for over 20 years. In my opinion it is the best and baddest looking Shelby that was made. As a friend once said to me, it looks like a Mustang on steroids. Kenny
Not to argue or discredit your view but I think all of them have their interesting attributes. I love the 66 styling. The 67 and 68's were also very nice. I had my choice of all and turned down the 68 and chose the 69. Ok its ford. But it is just a more refined car in my view in styling interior appointments and certainly handling. But is.nt great we are all different. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com To: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions I agree with Lee, and to add a few more distictions on why 67 500s are attracting alot of interest, (something I figured out 20 years ago) is that it was the first year for a big block Shelby, it was the only year to have a dual 4 bbl carb set up. As mentioned, it was the last year of the California built Shelby, and the only year to use a unique taillight set up, (a Cougar taillight without the chrome bezel). Think about it, 65-66 Shelbys used regular Mustang taillights, and 68-70's used a T-Bird taillight. I have been into 67 Shelby's for over 20 years. In my opinion it is the best and baddest looking Shelby that was made. As a friend once said to me, it looks like a Mustang on steroids. Kenny
Interesting comments. As one who drove their Shelby to SAAC meets, local shows and cruise nights, I chose the 1969 for completely different reasons. I am 6' 4" tall and cramming myself into a 1968 where I had to hunch over to see out the windshield was a non starter. The seats in the 1966/67 are low back, and they are a killer on long trips. Having gone through that with our 1966 Mustang, I opted for the 1969. We entered the Shelby family with the idea that if we kept the Shelby for 5 years and came out of it with 5 years of enjoyment and our investment intact we would be satisfied. When we sold it, we were very pleasantly surprised that our investment had increased. The styling of all year Shelbys is, in my opinion great, but for me, the comfort and drivability of the 1969 was the deciding factor. As Randall said, "isn't it great that we are all different?" Respectfully Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Paul To: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com ; GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions Not to argue or discredit your view but I think all of them have their interesting attributes. I love the 66 styling. The 67 and 68's were also very nice. I had my choice of all and turned down the 68 and chose the 69. Ok its ford. But it is just a more refined car in my view in styling interior appointments and certainly handling. But is.nt great we are all different. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com To: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions I agree with Lee, and to add a few more distictions on why 67 500s are attracting alot of interest, (something I figured out 20 years ago) is that it was the first year for a big block Shelby, it was the only year to have a dual 4 bbl carb set up. As mentioned, it was the last year of the California built Shelby, and the only year to use a unique taillight set up, (a Cougar taillight without the chrome bezel). Think about it, 65-66 Shelbys used regular Mustang taillights, and 68-70's used a T-Bird taillight. I have been into 67 Shelby's for over 20 years. In my opinion it is the best and baddest looking Shelby that was made. As a friend once said to me, it looks like a Mustang on steroids. Kenny
They are all really nice I love the Idea of the 65's and 66's, They were to me a pure Endeavour and the beginning of the Shelby/Mustang relationship. They are what spurred the 67 styling and most likely CS's enjoyment of what he was doing. The 68 again a continuation and confirmation of the cars popularity, although maybe external pressures where slightly taking its toll on commercialism. 69 Bang Ford takes it on board and Commercialism is in full swing. More refined and completely different but still exciting design and performance. Bang smog issues and all the other legislative fluff entering the auto makers world in those days killed it. 1970 to my recollection was the confirmed year on the stance of emissions in several states. I really think you must look at the evolution an the minds sets going on back in those days and embrace the difference in each of the vehicles design features. I attached a photo as I have never done one before here. Happy Holidays and a safe week-end ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com To: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions I agree with Lee, and to add a few more distictions on why 67 500s are attracting alot of interest, (something I figured out 20 years ago) is that it was the first year for a big block Shelby, it was the only year to have a dual 4 bbl carb set up. As mentioned, it was the last year of the California built Shelby, and the only year to use a unique taillight set up, (a Cougar taillight without the chrome bezel). Think about it, 65-66 Shelbys used regular Mustang taillights, and 68-70's used a T-Bird taillight. I have been into 67 Shelby's for over 20 years. In my opinion it is the best and baddest looking Shelby that was made. As a friend once said to me, it looks like a Mustang on steroids. Kenny
I have both and I would rather drive a 66 anyday, but the 67 has a style that is unique. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Paul To: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com ; GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions Not to argue or discredit your view but I think all of them have their interesting attributes. I love the 66 styling. The 67 and 68's were also very nice. I had my choice of all and turned down the 68 and chose the 69. Ok its ford. But it is just a more refined car in my view in styling interior appointments and certainly handling. But is.nt great we are all different. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com To: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; lashdeep (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Shelby Market Opinions I agree with Lee, and to add a few more distictions on why 67 500s are attracting alot of interest, (something I figured out 20 years ago) is that it was the first year for a big block Shelby, it was the only year to have a dual 4 bbl carb set up. As mentioned, it was the last year of the California built Shelby, and the only year to use a unique taillight set up, (a Cougar taillight without the chrome bezel). Think about it, 65-66 Shelbys used regular Mustang taillights, and 68-70's used a T-Bird taillight. I have been into 67 Shelby's for over 20 years. In my opinion it is the best and baddest looking Shelby that was made. As a friend once said to me, it looks like a Mustang on steroids. Kenny
