Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: > Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby > owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed > badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 > GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show > car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and > displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. > > What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a > convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to > #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line > copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. > > My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as > accurate a resto as possible. > > If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact > info, that would be great also. > > Gracious Thanks, > Bernie Smith
Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
The entire front clip minus the bumper and bumper brackets were installed as as complete bolted together already painted assembly and lowered onto the chassis. The buck tag as I stated before was supposed to be taken off by the Shelby assemblyline workers. I am certain that it was typical that it was taken off. I have seen various assembly line photos from the SAAC archives with the front clip in the fixture suspended in the air in the process of being lowered . The process also explained to me certain aspects of the paint overspray on the front end fiberglass and grill components that wasn't carried over to the radiator support area that i previously couldn't figure out until I saw the pictures. Your early car should have the S9MS Shelby unique leaf springs .The very late Shelby's might have used the mustang leaf but I have never been able to confirm that . The S9MS leaf was not serviced and the mustang leaf was substituted over the counter. Did your car still have the special duel exhaust type spring shackles on one side? If not that might indicate a leaf spring change. My credentials are that I have been a SAAC Shelby concours judge for all years Shelby GT500 and GT350 as well as currently serving as head SAAC concours judge for 67 Shelby. I have also served as a MCA Gold card concours judge for all years Shelby . I have restored numerous Shelby's in the 32 years that I have worked on them as my hobby. Fortunately I still have held on to a few examples to enjoy for my private collection. I hope I can be helpful. Let me know. Bob Gaines On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 12:42 AM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: > Thanks for the info Bob. > I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an > assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that > ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core > support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck > tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass > fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the > original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that > if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration > to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice > for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source > for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of > the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. > 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to > have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as > having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One > thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should > have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have > Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would > be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct > codes for my car also. > I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one > of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag > info. > Thanks, > Bernie Smith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Gaines > To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} > Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! > > It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was > normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the > people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the > chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby > standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the > exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole > and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator > support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it > was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might > need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. > Hope this helps . Bob G > On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: > > Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby > owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed > badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 > GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show > car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and > displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. > > What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a > convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to > #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line > copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. > > My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as > accurate a resto as possible. > > If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact > info, that would be great also. > > Gracious Thanks, > Bernie Smith >
Hi Robert It would be interesting to be able to see a photo reference of the spring assembly and buck tag. I am sure my three 69 owners would be very interested here in New Zealand. Nice credentials by the way! Regards Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! The entire front clip minus the bumper and bumper brackets were installed as as complete bolted together already painted assembly and lowered onto the chassis. The buck tag as I stated before was supposed to be taken off by the Shelby assemblyline workers. I am certain that it was typical that it was taken off. I have seen various assembly line photos from the SAAC archives with the front clip in the fixture suspended in the air in the process of being lowered . The process also explained to me certain aspects of the paint overspray on the front end fiberglass and grill components that wasn't carried over to the radiator support area that i previously couldn't figure out until I saw the pictures. Your early car should have the S9MS Shelby unique leaf springs ..The very late Shelby's might have used the mustang leaf but I have never been able to confirm that . The S9MS leaf was not serviced and the mustang leaf was substituted over the counter. Did your car still have the special duel exhaust type spring shackles on one side? If not that might indicate a leaf spring change. My credentials are that I have been a SAAC Shelby concours judge for all years Shelby GT500 and GT350 as well as currently serving as head SAAC concours judge for 67 Shelby. I have also served as a MCA Gold card concours judge for all years Shelby .. I have restored numerous Shelby's in the 32 years that I have worked on them as my hobby. Fortunately I still have held on to a few examples to enjoy for my private collection. I hope I can be helpful. Let me know. Bob Gaines On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 12:42 AM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Thanks for the info Bob. I am a little confused by your mention of installing the clip as an assy. since the grille and bumper are basically the only thing that ties the fenders together unlike other makes/models in which the core support unbolts. After looking at some pics, I can see that the buck tag would be more obscured on a Shelby due to the unique fiberglass fender and hood pin bracket, but am not certain that during the original assembly that tag removal would be required. I do agree that if a car had one, that most people would remove it during restoration to prevent damage. If it is your belief that it was standard practice for the tags to be removed during original assy, what is your source for this info if I may ask? This would possibly explain why none of the later 69 Shelbys had buck tags. 69 Shelbys built in the first month of production have been found to have some peculiar differences because of parts availability, such as having 120MPH speedo's, non woodgrain console, std seat belts. One thing we are trying to research is what rear springs my car should have. We are pretty certain I have the originals, but they do not have Shelby engineering numbers. Aside from learning info like this, I would be able to have Kevin Marti make a repro buck tag with the correct codes for my car also. I didn't think to mention a scan or photocopy of a build sheet from one of these first 50 would help also, but we are really after the buck tag info. Thanks, Bernie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gaines To: bigb427 {Bernard Smith} Cc: ShelbyMustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Resto Help Needed! It might be hard to find a buck tag for a early 69 Shelby since it was normally removed on a 69/70 Shelby because it was in the way for the people installing the front clip as it was being lowered onto the chassis as it was being installed as a complete assembly as per Shelby standard procedure. I have come across one or two but they were the exception rather then the rule. What is usually left is a screw hole and on a original paint car, a slight bare metal spot on the radiator support were the tag would have been since it was on the car before it was painted. A Marti report will give you any information you might need if the Shelby registry doesn't give you all the info you need. Hope this helps . Bob G On Thursday, April 13, 2006, at 09:36 PM, bigb427 {Bernard Smith} wrote: Howdy, I am posting this message to appeal to all those members, Shelby owners and enthusiasts out there for help in providing some info needed badly in the resto of one of the more historically significant 1969 GT500's made. It is car #0018, a convertible, which was a SDST show car, and believed to be the actual car used in all original media and displayed at the 1969 Detroit Auto Show. What I seek is anyone whom knows of any 1969 GT500, preferably a convertible (no GT350's please) with a consective number of #0001 to #0050 that I may recieve a CLEAR photo, rubbing, or exact line per line copy of the buck tag information from one or more of these cars. My tag got lost over the years and the info is needed to ensure as accurate a resto as possible. If anyone knows of one of these first 50 cars and has owner contact info, that would be great also. Gracious Thanks, Bernie Smith
favorites and pricing I've enjoyed all the debate about each year Shelby and it's pros and cons. After being fortunate enought to own each (although most for a very short time) year model, I love the 65 cars the most. "Raw" is maybe the one word that describes the 65 Shelby experience. Question- What kind of price would you put on a 67 GT500 that is together, but in need of restoration, with no rust, very complete, with a slight flare on the rear wells as the only mod (and I mean slight, it had me doing a triple take). It has sat for 15 years in dry storage. My intent would be to restore. Thanks in advance for any advise, and happy easter! all the best, Dan
