OK THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!... I attend a regular car show every Thursday night in my home town. I turned a 1967 mustang conv, into a "LIL RED" Shelby tribute. I totally love the way the car came out. I was showing her off at the show when a older man (real old), walked up to me and complimented me on my car. We chatted for a while, he then says he had 34 mustangs in a warehouse. He then tells me he sold most off and has only 2 left. The two he has held onto for 31 years now!! He then tells me one is a 65 convertible and the other is a "1964" Shelby mustang. I thought to myself 64????...hmmm they made a 1964?. I thought to myself the old coot doesn't know what he's talking about. I ran into him again the next week at the show. We talked some more. He didn't remember me at first but remembered my car. Old age I guess. I was dieing to talk more about his "1964" Shelby, So i dug into his brain for more info...he explains to me that he raced with Carroll Shelby back in the 60's. Now i was like.."NOOOO"!!...he then tells me the car is 1 of 5 1964 prototypes made and his is #5...so he believes. Is this anyway true that 64 was the first Shelby prototype?...and how can I find this out by looking at the car. He said I'm more then welcome to go see it...I'm suspicious as all can be...did I stumble onto something HUGE????
.....and you have failed to follow him home so far?? get your Camera and you Lil Red Car and make tracks to the guys house. take notes or Videotape his story and Cars. Maybe you are on to something and maybe not. one thing is certain, you will never know until you take the next step!
I agree 100%..I have his phone number and he has mine. just trying to get some 64 Shelby history....I'm not letting this guy go. He said Carroll Shelby made 4 or 5 of them before bringing them to Ford. A red,white,blue,and teal one...I wish I knew more info on these prototypes..thanks for your response Dalton
I dream the impossible dream, I believe in a three branch US government with checks & balances, I believe the Democrats can take back the White House & Congress (you Repubicans can keep the Supreme Court) heck, I even think I'll win the lottery some day. But I don't believe there are any Shelby prototypes out there or SAAC would know about them
Lets see, SAAC has printed 3 registries so far. Each getting bigger, each adding information. And none has anything about 3-5 "prototype" unfound anything. I don't think SAAC is holding back. I'd still check in on the car, it's probably a early 65 GT Mustang
It might or might not be real but I would use caution on how much info you post. Me and everybody else would love to find a car like that. Good luck.
I hear ya all what yer sayin...im sure its gonna be a wild goose chase,but thats why I'm here first to get pros like you all to give a fellow Mustang guy a start in the right direction...i did find this bit of info at: http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexperience.cgi?experience_id=120 "Once the Mustang GT's got to Venice, they were stored out in the lot awaiting the Shelby touch. By October 1964 three prototype GT 350s were ready. All the rest of the Mustangs were painted the same Wimbledon white with blue racing stripes. When the SCCA inspectors arrived in December they saw the necessary 100 Shelby Mustangs. The ruse worked, the GT 350 was given the OK to race in B/Production class against the 'Vettes." interesting huh?
I am sure there was the same discussion when the Green Hornet was first rumored to exist. Everyone in the know said it was crushed. Until one person put some time into checking it out. Good luck on your search and as Charly said" I would use caution on how much info you post. Me and everybody else would love to find a car like that. "
ill take yer advice and keep it on the "down low" as to how much info i give out..good tip I wonder how i can get hold on the man himself--- Carroll..lol, i bet he'd know
I wouldn't count on him knowing anything about it. He was very busy then winning races with the Cobras.
Well, actually it is not all that far fetched, HOWEVER I would say produce the solid evidence first. Their were really no 64 Mustangs, but I won't be so fast to totally discount the story. I have seen photos of a red fastback. A vin and warranty tag information would be a step in the right direction. I am from Misssouri on this one SHOW ME!!!
Rod, I almost totally agree with you, but as some have mentioned in the past, the SAAC 'well to do's' tend to find/acquire those desirables that have been missing....you know good and well they have more history to back track on than we do and of course they will not give us that info.
I thought there was 6 convs. made , somewhere in 65-66, [ not the 12 made in the 80's- 90's ] maybe the elderly gentlmen got them mixed up in his mind. If he is anything like me , I get everything mixed up. Now where did I leave my glasses.---S.
I believe out of the 3 Prototypes, #3 became the First GT350 sold after an extensive press tour. www.1965gt350.com should have some good information. go see the Guy you know who claims to have a Shelby and let's move forward from that point. of course you can PM me all the pertinent information, I can be in Florida in 15 Hours with a Truck and Trailer... or a 2 hour Flight....!!
Intriguing story so far....... If the guy has invited you over to take a look at the car, then drive your lil Red convertible over and maybe even offer to take him out for a ride. Take a digital camera with you and take a lot of pics if he is OK with that. Did he tell you he wanted to sell it - or just that he had it?? I remember attending a car show about 5 or 6 years ago and some old guy came up to me and started talking Mustangs. I thought he was just another old car enthusiast until he claimed he once owned the George Folmer 1970 trans am racer. He also stated that he once owned a 65 Shelby 5R002 - the first R model made. Yea right. I went home after the car show and did some research and everything did check out. The guy was documented in both the Boss 302 registry and the Shelby registry as having owned the cars that we discussed. Turns out he was also a retired engineer from Ford who liked to do some racing on the side. The point is you never know. Pay attention to those "old guys" because they were the young ones who owned these cars in the 60's and 70's. There are still some hidden treasures out there. Do your homework and listen to what he has to say about the car and how he came to acquire it. SAAC may or may not have information on the car given its possible status. Good luck........and keep me posted. I want to hear "the rest of the story"
What about the notchback prototypes that, I believe Ken Miles put independent rear suspension on. They were supposed to have been crushed, but who knows for sure. He tested those against the standard rear suspension and there wasn't enough difference to warrant the cost. Texas Swede
you guys are funny, I'm thankful for all your replies. I think about that darn car and that old guy all the time. He is interested in selling the car. I told him I'm on the internet all the time looking for Shelby info. He has my phone number and will be calling me with the VIN. He informed me about his past. He use to race Vettes and Cobras back in the 60's. He said he personally knew Carroll and his "pit" was located right next to Carrol's when racing. He said hes in a picture racing his vette against the "MEXICAN mustang coupe", the coupe was in front of him on the track. I think he said the guys name racing the "ranchero" coupe was Rodriguez. That name sounds familiar. Of his 30+ mustangs this old man claims to have owned he tells me some were original 64 AC COBRAS. I look forward to seeing the car. I will see the old man again at the car show. I will get pics and all the info i can. Keep the replies comin..I need all the help i can get
For some reason "ken miles" sounds familiar. I think the old man mentioned that name....i wrote that name down and will be asking him. He did mention the car had an aluminum 4 speed.
The aluminum trans. is a good start. 65 Shelbys and early 66s had them but no other mustangs I know of.
I didn't catch if you said if this car was a fastback or a coupe. Anyway I would get to know him and check out the car. You can look into the Shelby Registry and see which one is missing, I remember that # 3 was the first one sold, but if this is a prototype it wouldn't be there. I didn't see anywhere where they said what color the three prototypes were, all they said was that the others were painted white with blue stripes. Shelby was short on cars, so if any prototypes were made, I would think he would use them to make R models. I hope you are right and can confirm this car. Maybe SAAC has records on the Vin# of the prototypes??? PS I live 3.5 hours away from Fl. and I also come be there with an enclosed trailer. PSS only 4 66 Shelby conv were built.