One part of this is simple. Hope that the lawmakers stop making stupid laws for passenger cars regarding mileage and tax breaks that reward people for buying large trucks and SUV's that get low gas mileage. Passenger "trucks" should have some standards. The tax breaks should be for real working vehicles so that Farmers and businesses who need to have a large truck can get one. Not for every yahoo who has a business and wants to deduct the cost of a 6000+ lb hummer because they want to drive it around the suburbs. These deductions were originally made for farmers and other businesses that need these vehicles. The standard passenger SUV should have a mpg standard, instead of trying to squeeze another mpg out of the fleet of passenger vehicles. Lastly, alternative fuels should not be political. Stop mandating non sensible fuels. It takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the hydrogen produces. Electric has to be produced and transported to an outlet, using more energy and net polution that a gasoline engine (just at the power plant). There is no real benefit from Ethanol because of the amount of energy it takes to produce it. It will increase the price of corn and a lot of foods, helping farmers. It is all about physics and cost effectiveness. Just some thoughts Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
Much as I believe in the free market, there are some things that have to be made political. If the choice of future energy sources is simply left to the consumer, then they _will_ pick the cheapest solution - even if it means buggering up the planet. If the government doesn't step in and push a move towards alternative energy, then we will stick with the solution that is cheapest, only because it has 100 years of infrastructure development behind it. You're right, its all about physics and cost effectiveness. But if we don't invest in research into the physics, we will never make new discoveries allowing us to make use of clean, cheap fuels. And if we don't invest in the infrastructure of alternative fuels, then they will never reach the economy of scale necessary to make it cost effective. I always laugh when I imagine if petrol was invented today - "You mean, you want us to go around drilling holes in the ground, pump out dead dinosaurs, turn it into an extremely flammable and volatile liquid, and then let Joe Average pour into a metal tank in a two ton vehicle and run around at 70mph with it tucked underneath him, pouring the smoke from burning it behind him?" Imagine trying to get that little scheme funded and passed through all the government regulations today... :-> I haven't seen a break-down of who gets what on a gallon of gas in the US, but when the price goes up $1/gallon, _someone_ is getting that extra money straight into their pocket. Back in Australia, although at the time we were self-sufficient in oil, we were still an OPEN member, so when OPEC raised their prices, so would we - with every extra cent going into the government coffers. Then, when OPEC would lower the price of oil, the government would say "Ooops, sorry, we already spent all the money we were going to get with that extra tax, we're just going to keep taking it". Gotta love governments! Chris. GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: One part of this is simple. Hope that the lawmakers stop making stupid laws for passenger cars regarding mileage and tax breaks that reward people for buying large trucks and SUV's that get low gas mileage. Passenger "trucks" should have some standards. The tax breaks should be for real working vehicles so that Farmers and businesses who need to have a large truck can get one. Not for every yahoo who has a business and wants to deduct the cost of a 6000+ lb hummer because they want to drive it around the suburbs. These deductions were originally made for farmers and other businesses that need these vehicles. The standard passenger SUV should have a mpg standard, instead of trying to squeeze another mpg out of the fleet of passenger vehicles. Lastly, alternative fuels should not be political. Stop mandating non sensible fuels. It takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the hydrogen produces. Electric has to be produced and transported to an outlet, using more energy and net polution that a gasoline engine (just at the power plant). There is no real benefit from Ethanol because of the amount of energy it takes to produce it. It will increase the price of corn and a lot of foods, helping farmers. It is all about physics and cost effectiveness. Just some thoughts Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
" always laugh when I imagine if petrol was invented today - "You mean, you want us to go around drilling holes in the ground, pump out dead dinosaurs, turn it into an extremely flammable and volatile liquid, and then let Joe Average pour into a metal tank in a two ton vehicle and run around at 70mph with it tucked underneath him, pouring the smoke from burning it behind him?" Imagine trying to get that little scheme funded and passed through all the government regulations today... :-> Absolutely. Chris. They would laugh at you today. So funny! But Big business is scared in my opinion and they know the pressure is on. So how can they create a last ditch to maximize profits over the next 100 years. Hey create a war. Spin the supply card and whamo you have every American being geared up to believing $4.00 a gallon is a good deal. Down here they are talking about all the Oil deposits and untouched fields all over the place. It is the refinery costs that is making it almost prohibitive. Anyway I love reading the news and watching the Govenrments play this one. So Obvious! RP ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Tann To: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com ; Fandkherbst (AT) aol (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: rantings on fuel economy Much as I believe in the free market, there are some things that have to be made political. If the choice of future energy sources is simply left to the consumer, then they _will_ pick the cheapest solution - even if it means buggering up the planet. If the government doesn't step in and push a move towards alternative energy, then we will stick with the solution that is cheapest, only because it has 100 years of infrastructure development behind it. You're right, its all about physics and cost effectiveness. But if we don't invest in research into the physics, we will never make new discoveries allowing us to make use of clean, cheap fuels. And if we don't invest in the infrastructure of alternative fuels, then they will never reach the economy of scale necessary to make it cost effective. I always laugh when I imagine if petrol was invented today - "You mean, you want us to go around drilling holes in the ground, pump out dead dinosaurs, turn it into an extremely flammable and volatile liquid, and then let Joe Average pour into a metal tank in a two ton vehicle and run around at 70mph with it tucked underneath him, pouring the smoke from burning it behind him?" Imagine trying to get that little scheme funded and passed through all the government regulations today... :-> I haven't seen a break-down of who gets what on a gallon of gas in the US, but when the price goes up $1/gallon, _someone_ is getting that extra money straight into their pocket. Back in Australia, although at the time we were self-sufficient in oil, we were still an OPEN member, so when OPEC raised their prices, so would we - with every extra cent going into the government coffers. Then, when OPEC would lower the price of oil, the government would say "Ooops, sorry, we already spent all the money we were going to get with that extra tax, we're just going to keep taking it". Gotta love governments! Chris. GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: One part of this is simple. Hope that the lawmakers stop making stupid laws for passenger cars regarding mileage and tax breaks that reward people for buying large trucks and SUV's that get low gas mileage. Passenger "trucks" should have some standards. The tax breaks should be for real working vehicles so that Farmers and businesses who need to have a large truck can get one. Not for every yahoo who has a business and wants to deduct the cost of a 6000+ lb hummer because they want to drive it around the suburbs. These deductions were originally made for farmers and other businesses that need these vehicles. The standard passenger SUV should have a mpg standard, instead of trying to squeeze another mpg out of the fleet of passenger vehicles. Lastly, alternative fuels should not be political. Stop mandating non sensible fuels. It takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the hydrogen produces. Electric has to be produced and transported to an outlet, using more energy and net polution that a gasoline engine (just at the power plant). There is no real benefit from Ethanol because of the amount of energy it takes to produce it. It will increase the price of corn and a lot of foods, helping farmers. It is all about physics and cost effectiveness. Just some thoughts Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
Lee- You're right on the money w/regard to the stupid incentives to buy big SUV's and trucks. It's absurd. But I've got a solution to the fuel crisis: Harness all the hot air from the politicians and we've got an energy source that'll last forever! Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: GT350HZ (AT) aol (DOT) com To: Fandkherbst (AT) aol (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: Re: rantings on fuel economy One part of this is simple. Hope that the lawmakers stop making stupid laws for passenger cars regarding mileage and tax breaks that reward people for buying large trucks and SUV's that get low gas mileage. Passenger "trucks" should have some standards. The tax breaks should be for real working vehicles so that Farmers and businesses who need to have a large truck can get one. Not for every yahoo who has a business and wants to deduct the cost of a 6000+ lb hummer because they want to drive it around the suburbs. These deductions were originally made for farmers and other businesses that need these vehicles. The standard passenger SUV should have a mpg standard, instead of trying to squeeze another mpg out of the fleet of passenger vehicles. Lastly, alternative fuels should not be political. Stop mandating non sensible fuels. It takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the hydrogen produces. Electric has to be produced and transported to an outlet, using more energy and net polution that a gasoline engine (just at the power plant). There is no real benefit from Ethanol because of the amount of energy it takes to produce it. It will increase the price of corn and a lot of foods, helping farmers. It is all about physics and cost effectiveness. Just some thoughts Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
Anyone want to know the great irony of OPEC. Cartels are supposed to be illegal by United Nation rules. Reminds me of the effectiveness and power of the United Nations. But as I frequently say... "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story." Lee 66 # 869 69 # 2055
