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What means B production???

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Jerry_Moss, Apr 18, 2006.

  1. Jerry_Moss

    Jerry_Moss Well-Known Member

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    Hi Folks


    Please don`t stone me for this question but what the hell does
    it mean? For example what cars were A production? Or wasn´t there
    an A production or an C just a B???
    What cars were B production and why? Engine size? Weight? Topspeed??

    Thank you very much for your help and don´t make it too
    complicated thanks! :thumbsup:

    Bye Jerry
     
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    Jerry, generally speaking, these were race car classes designated by the SCCA way back in the day. For producation classes, it ranged from 'A' down to 'H' where A Production were the fastest and H Production were the slowest. Examples: Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros were A Prod, MG's, Alfa's, Datun's were in the middle somewhere and Sprites, Mini's were in 'H'. Different engine sizes within a make/model either bumped you up or down a class.

    Hope this helps somewhat.
     
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    Hi

    First thanks alot for this information. Do you have details to the classes.
    And when you say Mustangs where a production why
    do R Models often have the B/p on it?
    I would like to know (hard to explain) if there is a list to download
    where i can see the requirements for each class.
    Talking about B production these cars where really fast and potential
    even for todays standards right? So winning B production races like
    the R Models did back then means these cars are really really fast!?

    Bye Jerry
     
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    Jerry, those details can only be found in the SCCA GCR (General Competition Regulations) from that era. At the time, an R model was probably accepted as a production model and usually what happens, over time, is a tweaking of the regs to 'balance' out a particular class. A case in point would be Lotus. Whatever class they were first put in, it was discovered, over a period of a couple years, that they were awfully fast and the SCCA either eliminated the car and bumped them up a class. I don't know if this happened with the Shelbys or not. We need someone who ran SCCA races from back them to chime in here.
     
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    Jerry,

    gjz30075 is spot on as far as the origin - SCCA had many classes and I must admit that my memory is not good enough to give you an explicit answer, however, I can give you some examples.

    I have a 66 GT-350 (2021) that I purchased in Miami back in 74, it was an active B-Production SCCA racecar which I went on to take through Driver's school at Bridgehampton. A similar mustang (289) in notchback configuration ran in the A/Sedan class. Smallblock corvettes were generally B/Prod while the Bigblocks and 427 Cobras were A/Prod. I was a mechanic on an MG midget which ran F/Production.

    The SCCA competition rules at the time defined the classes and it changed over time - much the same as NHRA rules did with the Drag classes.

    Hope that helped a bit.

    j
     
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    @JamesFee

    Thanks for reply that is interesting. Do you have pictures of the car from
    back then when it was raced? Did the race action do any damage to the
    chassie? Like cracks or things like that?
    I try to search the internet for the 65 SCCA General Competition Regulations
    so i can build my R Model Clone to the standards of 65.
    I don´t want to race mine anyway maybe just to work if the alarm clock
    didn´t go. ha ha

    Thanks so far more informations welcome! :thumbsup:

    Bye Jerry
     
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    In 1965 and 66 I was a pit crew (gopher) guy on an SCCA team that raced on the east coast. IIRC...
    A Production
    all big block corvettes and fuel injected 327cu inch vettes
    all cobras 427's and 289's
    924 porshes (in 2 years I only saw 2)
    Griffiths (TVR with cobra motor)
    all the super exotic enzo type stuff..(never saw any of them)
    B Production
    *** the GT 350 ****
    carburated 327 corvettes and fuel injected 283's
    the Sunbeam Tiger.. (later moved to C production)
    XKE's (also moved later to C)
    C production
    some kind of Porshe-- (don't remember.. I hate porshes)
    Lotus super 7 ???
    Morgan plus four
    D production (my world)
    Jag XK 120;s 140's 150's ---Yay!!
    Tr. 4's (BOOOO!!)
    MGB's
    Yenko stingers (clapped out corvairs)
    Turner GT's
    Daimler SP 250?? (tiny little hemi V8..very cool..)
    Some kind of 911 Porshe
    6 cyl Austin Healy's (3000's 100-6's)...not positive on this.
    This is as best as I can remember.. It was a great experience
    jimbo
     
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    Jerry,

    You might want to start by going over the SAAC Registry spec's - the R model Shelby's were designed to race in the SCCA venue. There were a certain number needed to be made to be considered a "Production" class vehicle. So I believe (IMHO) that the "truest" replica would be the closest to what Shelby produced, and not what got modified during the racing seasons (see below under racing damage).

    As far as my car goes, no, all pictures were lost during a divorce :mad:
    (at least I kept the car)

    Racing damage to the car was limited to a RR quarter when the previous owner put it into the wall backwards at Daytona and the air-chisel opening up of the radiator support for getting more air into a larger radiator (though the gutting of the interior might qualify as well). I have since redone most of the chassis stuff, but not the interior yet.

    Good luck!

    jim
     

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