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500KR Convert or Boss 429?

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by redfish28, May 22, 2006.

  1. redfish28

    redfish28 Member

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    which one has more appreciation upside?
     
  2. stephen_becker

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    The one you buy from me!!

    SGB
     
  3. 427camaro

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    I would take the Boss 429. I think shelbys are about to peak, if they havent already. With rising interest rates and gas prices this goldmine might be going dry.
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    It depends on the cars you are comparing, color ,options etc,dead stock the KR is a faster car if that matters? 1969 or 1970 Boss9? That makes a difference also.
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    I vote for the KR Conv. 318 says it all.
     
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    Boss is a great car but has a smaller buying market. Most people don't know it exists. Shelby market certainly won't peak until some time After the new Shelby Mustangs die down. Shelby's will always have a bigger buying market due to the media surrounding them. Remember who the market is that is driving the prices, not serious car guys that know what a B9 or a COPO is, but rather the guy who now has money and remembers the hype from when he was young. Hence the Dodge Hemi market.
    Also, these people pay cash and rarely drive the cars, so gas pricing is immaterial. You will be able to sell the Shelby much faster when you want to. :D
     
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    Which Shelby year will likely be the most collectible or rarest in years to come?
     
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    In the Shelby market, (taking the R model out of the mix) I think the original 65 350 and the 68 KR Conv will be the most collectible because of the very low production numbers. However, the 67 500 has a strong following because (IMHO) it is the first big block the best looking and the last Shelby made by Shelby.
     
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    I would say go with the Shelby if you want to make a great investment. Bosses bring money but only sell to people who want them in particular. Anyone can see a Shelby and want it because they look so damn good. I would say the 68 KR Convertable is the best investment, the the 67 GT500, and then the GT350H followed by the original 65s. People love the Hertz paint schemes and everyone wants a 67 GT500 because they watched Gone in 60 Seconds. Of course they want that Elenor BS that didnt look nearly as nice as an original GT500. I would have liked to see it look like an actual GT500.
     
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    Thanks for all the replys. Here are some thoughts.

    The Boss 9 was the only NASCAR/production car built by Ford. Chrsyler on the other hand had the HEMI engine built in every car for years and years. I do not know how many HEMI cars that were built, but it is much more than the 1300(Boss 9s).

    There were 21000 Cobra Jet engines made for Mach 1s and Shelbys.

    So with the NASCAR comparsion, the Boss 9 is significantly less than the HEMI cars. And when compared to the Cobra Jet, the Boss 9 is significantly less.
     
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    Redfish, I can appreciate your argument; however, I'm not sure that is what drives either the Shelby KR market or the Hemi market so making comparisons based on engines isn't a natural follow for me.

    For example I think the KR convertible is traded because of its rarity (300+) not primarily because of the CJ. The Hemi phenom is a much more difficult market to understand but I think its roots go to the massive numbers being had for the original 70/71 hemi cuda conv which then trickled down to the basic GTX hemi hardtop.

    I am pretty sure the Nascar heritage of the 429 is not a well known or appreciated fact by the masses. I suspect the 427 SO has a stronger following in the rank and file when talking about Ford performance.

    I love the Boss 9's I had a burgandy 69 that I sold two years back wish I still had it!

    Great thread and topic
     
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    One other thing to think about if you are going to do a car that needs a restoration, the prices for Shelby parts are high, but in most cases you can find them, the boss9's have some realy high stuff that is almost near imposible to find if needed.
    Tout
     
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    The BOSS 429s probably arent as highly coveted because most people thing they were not great engines. They really couldn't breath with the setup they came with. If you slapped on a dual quad intake those suckers can run like hell.
     
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    while these cars have turned out to be a surprisingly nice investment for many long time owners, I recommend buying a Car that you really Love and want to have. Boss 429's were built so the engine could compete at Nascar. they were not allowed so the Car never got the following it would have had it powered some winning Race cars. personally I think 67 Gt500's are the sharpest looking Shelby's with the Hood open or closed. But the Boss 429 is clearly unrivaled by any FORD when that Hood goes up! a Mammoth Engine. I also like the fact that unlike the Little Brother Boss 302, this car only says "Boss 429" No stripes. the Big Air scoop is also an excellent touch on those cars. tough decision to pick either car to be honest with you. again, like all Valuable items, History and Condition are two major factors in determining Price.:cigar:
     
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    so the rest of the story....

    i traded my yellow KR convert for a black jade boss 9 this week. the KR was a driver and the boss 9 is concourse. however after selling my 1st boss 9 this spring, i truely miss looking at and hearing that engine. if you have never heard that engine, you need too! i'm going to remove the stock carb, manifolds, and cam. i'm going to add a double pumper carb, headers, and hyd cam. this should bring the hp to 550.

    my 69 GT500 convert should be restored at the end of the year.

    and i'm building a super charged 67 GT 500 CLONE. just ordered the fiberglass this week before it is too hard or too expensive to get. i just could not pay $80k-$100k for 3 pieces of fiberglass and a title for a real 67 GT 500 as a project. the engine will be a hand built 351 Windsor with a Vortec blower, 5spd, a/c, 480hp at rear wheels, and 20mpg.
     
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    Sounds nice redfish:thumbsup:
     
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    Hi all, I have the most important question not asked so far in this thread.
    Why bother making a COPY of either ? First and foremost a copy will
    NEVER bring the money a REAL one will. I have a 69 Mach 1 with a 429
    in it and top loader and I can't see the appeal to fake anything.
    Most people here I guarantee NEVER drive their Shelby's the way Carrol designed them for, and at a collectors price of $ 130,000 I can't blame any
    of you. As far as which one is faster that depends on what's been done.
    I can almost quarantee NONE of the Shelby owners here have modified their
    investments to have over 800 bhp, and I don't blame them. If you want a
    return on your investment then buy a car that's worth something and not a
    FAKE. If your feeling froggy and want a car that's all you then by all means
    make it the way you want. The Ford Mustang has always been an incredible canvas for creativity. I can bet there aren't many light pewter 69 Mach 1's out there with the kind of HP I have in mine as well as a TCP front and rear suspension but that's what I wanted. What kind of market is there for copies?
    Fords are too well documented to fake as are Shelby's, so unless your gonna E-Bay it or try finding a sucker I can't see the point, and If your heart is set on making a copy of something then try making the MOST rare of ALL production Shelby's.........


    I wonder how many on this forum know the answer????






    The Shelby Maverick available ONLY in Mexico. Hey I NEVER said it would
    hold ANY value !
     
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    I dont think he is talking about cloning the cars, only redfish is. As far as the Mexican Shelbys go, its probably a good thing there arent many. They are kind of ugly, certainly ugly compared to one from the US.
     
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    There are four BOSS 429s up for auction this weekend (Mecum). 3 69s and a 70. We'll see how they do. There is a red 69 BOSS 429 for sale on eBay at the moment also.
     
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    Great thread. Sorry guys but I have to laugh at the comment from Chevy Boy about gas prices. I guess I'm going to have to stop driving my GT 500 back and forth to work beacuse of high gas prices. Maybe I should sell my GT500 and buy a GT 350 to save on fuel.
     

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