Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ My starter is beginning to produce that 'starter grind' at startup. I've also noticed a real reluntance to start up when the car is hot. It was suggested that I consider a 'gear reduction' starter. Especially for the big blocks, ie., 428 CJ ? It supposedly pulls less amps and is a good match when considering the hot start problem. I noticed a "powermaster' product sold thru Route 66 Supply in Hollister. Any suggestions and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Bill _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ Bought one for a 429CJ I'm building .... after chewing up the flywheel I put in a rebuilt from the local parts store. Got luck and found one with the right engineering numbers and date Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Jenkins" <gt69shelby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> To: <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [Shelbymustang] Gear Reduction Starters > Shelby Mustang Email List > ------------------------------ > My starter is beginning to produce > that 'starter grind' at startup. > I've also noticed a real reluntance > to start up when the car is hot. > > It was suggested that I consider a > 'gear reduction' starter. Especially > for the big blocks, ie., 428 CJ ? > It supposedly pulls less amps and > is a good match when considering the > hot start problem. > > I noticed a "powermaster' product > sold thru Route 66 Supply in Hollister. > > Any suggestions and opinions would be > greatly appreciated. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > ShelbyMustang mailing list > Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Membership Administration > http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com > Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang > _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ a friend had a 428 scj mach doing the same thing. his got to the point that it would not turn over hot. he replaced all three battery and ground cables with 0 gauge from NAPA and the problem was gone then he would just put the repo cables on for shows bob _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ In a message dated 6/25/06 19:36:11, gt69shelby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: << I noticed a "powermaster' product sold thru Route 66 Supply in Hollister. Any suggestions and opinions would be greatly appreciated. >> >>>I have a Powermaster starter (that I got from Summit) on my 427 side-oiler in my Contemporary Cobra, and it is absolutely fantastic. Gear reduction starters have higher torque, so they will turn over a stubbon, high-compression motor when a conventional starter might just stall out. The downside (everything has a price) is that they normally turn over slower than a conventional starter. Will the concours freaks come unglued if you have a very obviously non-original starter on your car? If so, then you can probably get a local starter shop to jazz up your stock starter with modern guts. Keep the freaks happy, and insist upon getting YOUR starter back, as opposed to a same-style replacement. :>) Before spending a dime you might want to have your starter tested. While you're nosing around under the hood, carefully inspect the cables for damage. Any loose connections could cause skyrocketing resistance and thus a reduction in performance. Oh, and remember to check the battery too, and if possible swap in a known-good battery and see if it makes a difference. When I first bought my Pantera, it had a stock starter, and it was very difficult to start when hot. I had the battery tested by Sears and they pronounced it good, so I chased my tail for six months (including finding a stripped stud on the starter resulting in a poor connection, fixed simply by fitting washers between the cable terminal and starter so that the nut got a good 'bite' on good threads). Eventually I discovered that my 'good" battery had two dead terminals!!! Mike _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ In a message dated 6/25/06 20:16:21, MikeLDrew (AT) aol (DOT) com writes: << Eventually I discovered that my 'good" battery had two dead terminals!!! >> >>>Of course, what I meant was that it had two dead CELLS, not terminals... Mike (shouldn't be writing e-mails of a technical nature while simultaneously watching TV and carrying on a conversation with my girlfriend....) _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ Concours freaks? Then repeated again? I trust that comment was in jest. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <MikeLDrew (AT) aol (DOT) com> To: <gt69shelby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>; <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [Shelbymustang] Gear Reduction Starters > Shelby Mustang Email List > ------------------------------ > > In a message dated 6/25/06 19:36:11, gt69shelby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes: > > << I noticed a "powermaster' product > sold thru Route 66 Supply in Hollister. > > Any suggestions and opinions would be > greatly appreciated. >> > >>>>I have a Powermaster starter (that I got from Summit) on my 427 >>>>side-oiler > in my Contemporary Cobra, and it is absolutely fantastic. > > Gear reduction starters have higher torque, so they will turn over a > stubbon, > high-compression motor when a conventional starter might just stall out. > The > downside (everything has a price) is that they normally turn over slower > than > a conventional starter. > > Will the concours freaks come unglued if you have a very obviously > non-original starter on your car? If so, then you can probably get a > local starter shop > to jazz up your stock starter with modern guts. Keep the freaks happy, > and > insist upon getting YOUR starter back, as opposed to a same-style > replacement. > :>) > > Before spending a dime you might want to have your starter tested. While > you're nosing around under the hood, carefully inspect the cables for > damage. > Any loose connections could cause skyrocketing resistance and thus a > reduction > in performance. > > Oh, and remember to check the battery too, and if possible swap in a > known-good battery and see if it makes a difference. When I first bought > my Pantera, > it had a stock starter, and it was very difficult to start when hot. I > had > the battery tested by Sears and they pronounced it good, so I chased my > tail for > six months (including finding a stripped stud on the starter resulting in > a > poor connection, fixed simply by fitting washers between the cable > terminal and > starter so that the nut got a good 'bite' on good threads). Eventually I > discovered that my 'good" battery had two dead terminals!!! > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > ShelbyMustang mailing list > Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Membership Administration > http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com > Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ Bill, I have found you need at least 850 cold cranking amps for a hot big block. You might also check the condition of the cables, cable ends and battery terminal connections. Anything loose or corroded will cause starter drag when the engine is hot. When a starter begins to wear the bearings, it will drag when hot. The battery condition should also be checked if you can access a battery load tester. Advanced initial timing will also cause slow cranking when hot. I am assuming the engine cranks OK when cold. Hope this helps SEE Y'ALL > > From: Bill Jenkins <gt69shelby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> > Date: 2006/06/25 Sun PM 11:34:44 EDT > To: shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Subject: [Shelbymustang] Gear Reduction Starters > > Shelby Mustang Email List > ------------------------------ > My starter is beginning to produce > that 'starter grind' at startup. > I've also noticed a real reluntance > to start up when the car is hot. > > It was suggested that I consider a > 'gear reduction' starter. Especially > for the big blocks, ie., 428 CJ ? > It supposedly pulls less amps and > is a good match when considering the > hot start problem. > > I noticed a "powermaster' product > sold thru Route 66 Supply in Hollister. > > Any suggestions and opinions would be > greatly appreciated. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > ShelbyMustang mailing list > Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com > Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang > _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ In a message dated 6/26/06 5:01:31, ronald.robertson (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca writes: << Concours freaks? Then repeated again? I trust that comment was in jest. >> >>>Of course it is. Although I must admit it amuses me to see judges literally get agitated and indignant when they spot an incorrect hose clamp or some other equally heinous crime. That said, I'm a proponent of DRIVING these cars, not treating them like rolling Fabregé eggs. Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I owned an original instead of a clone, who knows? Mike _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
Shelby Mustang Email List ------------------------------ On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, MikeLDrew (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: > Shelby Mustang Email List > ------------------------------ > > In a message dated 6/26/06 5:01:31, ronald.robertson (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca writes: > > << Concours freaks? > > Then repeated again? > > I trust that comment was in jest. >> > >>>> Of course it is. Although I must admit it amuses me to see judges > literally get agitated and indignant when they spot an incorrect hose clamp or some > other equally heinous crime. > > That said, I'm a proponent of DRIVING these cars, not treating them like > rolling Fabregé eggs. Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I owned an original > instead of a clone, who knows? I guess I am sort of the same way, except that our car happens to not be a clone. I appreciate the concours people, and I strongly think that everyone can persue the car hobby however they want. But my choice tends to be towards some sort of performance driving experience. I don't expect everyone to want to do that, but I also know that many concours people look at our old car and have negative things to say because the paint is faded, it has rock nicks behind the fenders, some repro parts, etc. Our car is a family memeber, we have had it for 32 years now. I think my daughters are the most beautiful females on the planet, even if others don't agree. I sort of feel the same way about our Shelby (the car, not that daughter of the same name). I do definately always want some people preserve the perfect, original examples of Shelbys. That is important as Shelby (the daughter, not the car) grows to appreciate the cars, the man, and maybe some of what her name means to so many people. At 15 when most high school freshmen only worry about so many "hip" things, I appreciate the fact that she has an interest in the history, and the "experience" the cars and people are part of. I just hope she doesn't look at the concours cars and get too disapointed in the heirloom that will probably find its way into her ownership some day. I hope she apprecaites the hot laps around VIR that it makes around VIR this weekend as much as she does the beauty of the concours cars. Calvin http://svsaac.com/ <<--our local club http://www.racecarstuff.com <<--my blog http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 <<--my ebay stuff _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
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