TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Colin: You are becoming very popular- ha ha I found this article with you in it. I noticed that you mentioned "marginal cars" and that those types will have more of a direct impact from market adjustments or basically "burn" the owner/speculator. What constitutes marginal in your eyes. Im just curious. Thanks jon BLAME Milton Robson, an Atlanta car collector, for the sky-high prices of muscle cars. For Authenticity, It's a Numbers Game Four years ago, Mr. Robson, a former grocery wholesaler, placed a half-page advertisement in Hemmings Motor News to sell his 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda, a convertible equipped with a Hemi V-8 engine and a four-speed manual transmission. The asking price — $1 million — was an astounding sum, even considering that the car was one of just six similarly equipped 'Cudas that Chrysler built as 1971 models. "When I saw Mr. Robson's ad, I said to myself, 'Well, he's got to start somewhere,' " Colin Comer, president of Colin's Classic Automobiles in Milwaukee, said. "But he stuck to his guns and, sure enough, his Hemi 'Cuda went to a broker who flipped it," he said, using slang for a quick resale. The once-astronomical price seems quite reasonable today, as survivors of the muscle-car era enter the millionaire's club, shouldering Bugattis, Ferraris and Duesenbergs out of the limelight. In January, at the Barrett-Jackson collector car auction in Scottsdale, Ariz., two icons of the period sold for seven-figure prices. A 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle convertible with a 454-cubic-inch V-8, decked out in replica lettering from its days as a drag racing champion, sold for $1,242,000. A 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda convertible in blinding orange — High Impact Vitamin C in sales brochures — brought $2,160,000. Two months later, a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R with a history of racetrack wins just missed the mark, bringing $990,000. A Shelby Cobra racecar sold for $1.65 million at the same Amelia Island, Fla., auction. Why would a car that cost $5,000 when new 35 years ago command $1 million or more today? The simple answer is that wealthy buyers know what they want and are willing to pay for it. And years of steadily rising prices have made the purchase of a rare muscle car easier to justify as an example of investment-grade wish fulfillment. While there is no concise definition of what constitutes a muscle car, it is certain that the horsepower race in Detroit heated up considerably with the arrival of the Pontiac GTO for the '64 model year. The one-upsmanship among carmakers continued for eight years, until escalating insurance rates, unleaded gasoline and tepid horsepower ratings shifted buyers toward personal luxury cars. Purists insist that a muscle car is made by marrying a big engine with a four- or five-seat body, citing the example of the original GTO. The engines are typically from 383 to 454 cubic inches in displacement (in the vernacular, "big-block" V-8's), with factory ratings of up to 450 horsepower. While sports cars like the Shelby Cobra and Chevrolet Corvette may qualify on the basis of horsepower and zero-to-60 performance, sticklers regard these powerful two-seaters as no more than affiliate members of their club. Imported cars were never considered for membership. Mr. Comer, 34, was born as the muscle car era was fading. He admits that some of his affection for the cars is pure rebellion. "My dad told me muscle cars were cheap kids toys," he said. "I figured that if he didn't like them, they had to be pretty cool." Like prices for other types of collectibles, muscle car values are determined by well-established guidelines. In this lofty price class, experienced buyers and sellers use special language to appraise their qualities. Rarity is a virtue. In 1969, Chevrolet made 69 Camaros with aluminum 427-cubic-inch V-8's for racing. Because even that meager supply exceeded demand — the ZL1 engine option cost more than the base car — many languished at dealerships. Today these are among the most sought-after Camaros. Mr. Comer recently sold one for $840,000 and expects them to top $1 million soon. Optional equipment adds value, especially less-common factory-installed features like the model year's most powerful engine or a heavy-duty transmission; high-performance options can distinguish a top-shelf muscle car from a Plymouth Satellite that has little more than bucket seats and a mainstream family-sedan engine. "The speculators buying lesser cars in hopes the rising tide of top-dollar muscle cars will make them wealthy are wrong," Mr. Comer said. "Market adjustments are inevitable. When that happens, speculators who bought marginal cars will get burned." History matters, and documentation is crucial. What collectors call provenance traces the car to its origins by a bill of sale, paperwork tucked under the backseat by assembly-line workers, photos from previous owners, or trophies earned at the racetrack. Included with the $1.2-million Chevelle auctioned in January were an original New Jersey title, a factory "build sheet," and a collection of magazine articles chronicling the car's drag-strip victories. Ray Allen, who drove the car and directed its restoration, was present at Barrett-Jackson to erase any doubts about the car's history -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Hi Jon, Sorry for the delay - for some reason the new list emails won't display on my Blackberry when I am on the road. I just noticed your email now. What I meant by marginal cars is the guy that buys, for example, a 1965 C Code Mustang fastback for let's say $40k because a 65 Shelby is worth $300k. And he thinks that his C Code car will be worth $75k next year when people "figure out" it is "just like a Shelby". You know the type of guy I am talking about, the one that drives a Lexus everyday and thinks he really knows collector cars because he gets the Dupont Registry. LOL Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net> To: "Shelby List" <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [Shelbymustang] Marginal Cars TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Colin: You are becoming very popular- ha ha I found this article with you in it. I noticed that you mentioned "marginal cars" and that those types will have more of a direct impact from market adjustments or basically "burn" the owner/speculator. What constitutes marginal in your eyes. Im just curious. Thanks jon BLAME Milton Robson, an Atlanta car collector, for the sky-high prices of muscle cars. For Authenticity, It's a Numbers Game Four years ago, Mr. Robson, a former grocery wholesaler, placed a half-page advertisement in Hemmings Motor News to sell his 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda, a convertible equipped with a Hemi V-8 engine and a four-speed manual transmission. The asking price - $1 million - was an astounding sum, even considering that the car was one of just six similarly equipped 'Cudas that Chrysler built as 1971 models. "When I saw Mr. Robson's ad, I said to myself, 'Well, he's got to start somewhere,' " Colin Comer, president of Colin's Classic Automobiles in Milwaukee, said. "But he stuck to his guns and, sure enough, his Hemi 'Cuda went to a broker who flipped it," he said, using slang for a quick resale. The once-astronomical price seems quite reasonable today, as survivors of the muscle-car era enter the millionaire's club, shouldering Bugattis, Ferraris and Duesenbergs out of the limelight. In January, at the Barrett-Jackson collector car auction in Scottsdale, Ariz., two icons of the period sold for seven-figure prices. A 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle convertible with a 454-cubic-inch V-8, decked out in replica lettering from its days as a drag racing champion, sold for $1,242,000. A 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda convertible in blinding orange - High Impact Vitamin C in sales brochures - brought $2,160,000. Two months later, a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R with a history of racetrack wins just missed the mark, bringing $990,000. A Shelby Cobra racecar sold for $1.65 million at the same Amelia Island, Fla., auction. Why would a car that cost $5,000 when new 35 years ago command $1 million or more today? The simple answer is that wealthy buyers know what they want and are willing to pay for it. And years of steadily rising prices have made the purchase of a rare muscle car easier to justify as an example of investment-grade wish fulfillment. While there is no concise definition of what constitutes a muscle car, it is certain that the horsepower race in Detroit heated up considerably with the arrival of the Pontiac GTO for the '64 model year. The one-upsmanship among carmakers continued for eight years, until escalating insurance rates, unleaded gasoline and tepid horsepower ratings shifted buyers toward personal luxury cars. Purists insist that a muscle car is made by marrying a big engine with a four- or five-seat body, citing the example of the original GTO. The engines are typically from 383 to 454 cubic inches in displacement (in the vernacular, "big-block" V-8's), with factory ratings of up to 450 horsepower. While sports cars like the Shelby Cobra and Chevrolet Corvette may qualify on the basis of horsepower and zero-to-60 performance, sticklers regard these powerful two-seaters as no more than affiliate members of their club. Imported cars were never considered for membership. Mr. Comer, 34, was born as the muscle car era was fading. He admits that some of his affection for the cars is pure rebellion. "My dad told me muscle cars were cheap kids toys," he said. "I figured that if he didn't like them, they had to be pretty cool." Like prices for other types of collectibles, muscle car values are determined by well-established guidelines. In this lofty price class, experienced buyers and sellers use special language to appraise their qualities. Rarity is a virtue. In 1969, Chevrolet made 69 Camaros with aluminum 427-cubic-inch V-8's for racing. Because even that meager supply exceeded demand - the ZL1 engine option cost more than the base car - many languished at dealerships. Today these are among the most sought-after Camaros. Mr. Comer recently sold one for $840,000 and expects them to top $1 million soon. Optional equipment adds value, especially less-common factory-installed features like the model year's most powerful engine or a heavy-duty transmission; high-performance options can distinguish a top-shelf muscle car from a Plymouth Satellite that has little more than bucket seats and a mainstream family-sedan engine. "The speculators buying lesser cars in hopes the rising tide of top-dollar muscle cars will make them wealthy are wrong," Mr. Comer said. "Market adjustments are inevitable. When that happens, speculators who bought marginal cars will get burned." History matters, and documentation is crucial. What collectors call provenance traces the car to its origins by a bill of sale, paperwork tucked under the backseat by assembly-line workers, photos from previous owners, or trophies earned at the racetrack. Included with the $1.2-million Chevelle auctioned in January were an original New Jersey title, a factory "build sheet," and a collection of magazine articles chronicling the car's drag-strip victories. Ray Allen, who drove the car and directed its restoration, was present at Barrett-Jackson to erase any doubts about the car's history -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Hey Colin, I think the "guy" you are talking about doesn't actually get the Dupont Registry, he reads it at his dentists office. Wendell In a message dated 9/13/2006 4:19:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com writes: TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Hi Jon, Sorry for the delay - for some reason the new list emails won't display on my Blackberry when I am on the road. I just noticed your email now. What I meant by marginal cars is the guy that buys, for example, a 1965 C Code Mustang fastback for let's say $40k because a 65 Shelby is worth $300k. And he thinks that his C Code car will be worth $75k next year when people "figure out" it is "just like a Shelby". You know the type of guy I am talking about, the one that drives a Lexus everyday and thinks he really knows collector cars because he gets the Dupont Registry. LOL Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net> To: "Shelby List" <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [Shelbymustang] Marginal Cars TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Colin: You are becoming very popular- ha ha I found this article with you in it. I noticed that you mentioned "marginal cars" and that those types will have more of a direct impact from market adjustments or basically "burn" the owner/speculator. What constitutes marginal in your eyes. Im just curious. Thanks jon BLAME Milton Robson, an Atlanta car collector, for the sky-high prices of muscle cars. For Authenticity, It's a Numbers Game Four years ago, Mr. Robson, a former grocery wholesaler, placed a half-page advertisement in Hemmings Motor News to sell his 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda, a convertible equipped with a Hemi V-8 engine and a four-speed manual transmission. The asking price - $1 million - was an astounding sum, even considering that the car was one of just six similarly equipped 'Cudas that Chrysler built as 1971 models. "When I saw Mr. Robson's ad, I said to myself, 'Well, he's got to start somewhere,' " Colin Comer, president of Colin's Classic Automobiles in Milwaukee, said. "But he stuck to his guns and, sure enough, his Hemi 'Cuda went to a broker who flipped it," he said, using slang for a quick resale. The once-astronomical price seems quite reasonable today, as survivors of the muscle-car era enter the millionaire's club, shouldering Bugattis, Ferraris and Duesenbergs out of the limelight. In January, at the Barrett-Jackson collector car auction in Scottsdale, Ariz., two icons of the period sold for seven-figure prices. A 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle convertible with a 454-cubic-inch V-8, decked out in replica lettering from its days as a drag racing champion, sold for $1,242,000. A 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda convertible in blinding orange - High Impact Vitamin C in sales brochures - brought $2,160,000. Two months later, a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R with a history of racetrack wins just missed the mark, bringing $990,000. A Shelby Cobra racecar sold for $1.65 million at the same Amelia Island, Fla., auction. Why would a car that cost $5,000 when new 35 years ago command $1 million or more today? The simple answer is that wealthy buyers know what they want and are willing to pay for it. And years of steadily rising prices have made the purchase of a rare muscle car easier to justify as an example of investment-grade wish fulfillment. While there is no concise definition of what constitutes a muscle car, it is certain that the horsepower race in Detroit heated up considerably with the arrival of the Pontiac GTO for the '64 model year. The one-upsmanship among carmakers continued for eight years, until escalating insurance rates, unleaded gasoline and tepid horsepower ratings shifted buyers toward personal luxury cars. Purists insist that a muscle car is made by marrying a big engine with a four- or five-seat body, citing the example of the original GTO. The engines are typically from 383 to 454 cubic inches in displacement (in the vernacular, "big-block" V-8's), with factory ratings of up to 450 horsepower. While sports cars like the Shelby Cobra and Chevrolet Corvette may qualify on the basis of horsepower and zero-to-60 performance, sticklers regard these powerful two-seaters as no more than affiliate members of their club. Imported cars were never considered for membership. Mr. Comer, 34, was born as the muscle car era was fading. He admits that some of his affection for the cars is pure rebellion. "My dad told me muscle cars were cheap kids toys," he said. "I figured that if he didn't like them, they had to be pretty cool." Like prices for other types of collectibles, muscle car values are determined by well-established guidelines. In this lofty price class, experienced buyers and sellers use special language to appraise their qualities. Rarity is a virtue. In 1969, Chevrolet made 69 Camaros with aluminum 427-cubic-inch V-8's for racing. Because even that meager supply exceeded demand - the ZL1 engine option cost more than the base car - many languished at dealerships. Today these are among the most sought-after Camaros. Mr. Comer recently sold one for $840,000 and expects them to top $1 million soon. Optional equipment adds value, especially less-common factory-installed features like the model year's most powerful engine or a heavy-duty transmission; high-performance options can distinguish a top-shelf muscle car from a Plymouth Satellite that has little more than bucket seats and a mainstream family-sedan engine. "The speculators buying lesser cars in hopes the rising tide of top-dollar muscle cars will make them wealthy are wrong," Mr. Comer said. "Market adjustments are inevitable. When that happens, speculators who bought marginal cars will get burned." History matters, and documentation is crucial. What collectors call provenance traces the car to its origins by a bill of sale, paperwork tucked under the backseat by assembly-line workers, photos from previous owners, or trophies earned at the racetrack. Included with the $1.2-million Chevelle auctioned in January were an original New Jersey title, a factory "build sheet," and a collection of magazine articles chronicling the car's drag-strip victories. Ray Allen, who drove the car and directed its restoration, was present at Barrett-Jackson to erase any doubts about the car's history -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Wendell, You're right, maybe he finds the DuPont Registry IN his dentist's Lexus when he borrows it? LOL Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: WendellTX (AT) aol (DOT) com To: colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com ; jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net ; shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Shelbymustang] Marginal Cars Hey Colin, I think the "guy" you are talking about doesn't actually get the Dupont Registry, he reads it at his dentists office. Wendell In a message dated 9/13/2006 4:19:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com writes: TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Hi Jon, Sorry for the delay - for some reason the new list emails won't display on my Blackberry when I am on the road. I just noticed your email now. What I meant by marginal cars is the guy that buys, for example, a 1965 C Code Mustang fastback for let's say $40k because a 65 Shelby is worth $300k. And he thinks that his C Code car will be worth $75k next year when people "figure out" it is "just like a Shelby". You know the type of guy I am talking about, the one that drives a Lexus everyday and thinks he really knows collector cars because he gets the Dupont Registry. LOL Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net> To: "Shelby List" <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [Shelbymustang] Marginal Cars TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ Colin: You are becoming very popular- ha ha I found this article with you in it. I noticed that you mentioned "marginal cars" and that those types will have more of a direct impact from market adjustments or basically "burn" the owner/speculator. What constitutes marginal in your eyes. Im just curious. Thanks jon BLAME Milton Robson, an Atlanta car collector, for the sky-high prices of muscle cars. For Authenticity, It's a Numbers Game Four years ago, Mr. Robson, a former grocery wholesaler, placed a half-page advertisement in Hemmings Motor News to sell his 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda, a convertible equipped with a Hemi V-8 engine and a four-speed manual transmission. The asking price - $1 million - was an astounding sum, even considering that the car was one of just six similarly equipped 'Cudas that Chrysler built as 1971 models. "When I saw Mr. Robson's ad, I said to myself, 'Well, he's got to start somewhere,' " Colin Comer, president of Colin's Classic Automobiles in Milwaukee, said. "But he stuck to his guns and, sure enough, his Hemi 'Cuda went to a broker who flipped it," he said, using slang for a quick resale. The once-astronomical price seems quite reasonable today, as survivors of the muscle-car era enter the millionaire's club, shouldering Bugattis, Ferraris and Duesenbergs out of the limelight. In January, at the Barrett-Jackson collector car auction in Scottsdale, Ariz., two icons of the period sold for seven-figure prices. A 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle convertible with a 454-cubic-inch V-8, decked out in replica lettering from its days as a drag racing champion, sold for $1,242,000. A 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda convertible in blinding orange - High Impact Vitamin C in sales brochures - brought $2,160,000. Two months later, a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R with a history of racetrack wins just missed the mark, bringing $990,000. A Shelby Cobra racecar sold for $1.65 million at the same Amelia Island, Fla., auction. Why would a car that cost $5,000 when new 35 years ago command $1 million or more today? The simple answer is that wealthy buyers know what they want and are willing to pay for it. And years of steadily rising prices have made the purchase of a rare muscle car easier to justify as an example of investment-grade wish fulfillment. While there is no concise definition of what constitutes a muscle car, it is certain that the horsepower race in Detroit heated up considerably with the arrival of the Pontiac GTO for the '64 model year. The one-upsmanship among carmakers continued for eight years, until escalating insurance rates, unleaded gasoline and tepid horsepower ratings shifted buyers toward personal luxury cars. Purists insist that a muscle car is made by marrying a big engine with a four- or five-seat body, citing the example of the original GTO. The engines are typically from 383 to 454 cubic inches in displacement (in the vernacular, "big-block" V-8's), with factory ratings of up to 450 horsepower. While sports cars like the Shelby Cobra and Chevrolet Corvette may qualify on the basis of horsepower and zero-to-60 performance, sticklers regard these powerful two-seaters as no more than affiliate members of their club. Imported cars were never considered for membership. Mr. Comer, 34, was born as the muscle car era was fading. He admits that some of his affection for the cars is pure rebellion. "My dad told me muscle cars were cheap kids toys," he said. "I figured that if he didn't like them, they had to be pretty cool." Like prices for other types of collectibles, muscle car values are determined by well-established guidelines. In this lofty price class, experienced buyers and sellers use special language to appraise their qualities. Rarity is a virtue. In 1969, Chevrolet made 69 Camaros with aluminum 427-cubic-inch V-8's for racing. Because even that meager supply exceeded demand - the ZL1 engine option cost more than the base car - many languished at dealerships. Today these are among the most sought-after Camaros. Mr. Comer recently sold one for $840,000 and expects them to top $1 million soon. Optional equipment adds value, especially less-common factory-installed features like the model year's most powerful engine or a heavy-duty transmission; high-performance options can distinguish a top-shelf muscle car from a Plymouth Satellite that has little more than bucket seats and a mainstream family-sedan engine. "The speculators buying lesser cars in hopes the rising tide of top-dollar muscle cars will make them wealthy are wrong," Mr. Comer said. "Market adjustments are inevitable. When that happens, speculators who bought marginal cars will get burned." History matters, and documentation is crucial. What collectors call provenance traces the car to its origins by a bill of sale, paperwork tucked under the backseat by assembly-line workers, photos from previous owners, or trophies earned at the racetrack. Included with the $1.2-million Chevelle auctioned in January were an original New Jersey title, a factory "build sheet," and a collection of magazine articles chronicling the car's drag-strip victories. Ray Allen, who drove the car and directed its restoration, was present at Barrett-Jackson to erase any doubts about the car's history -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
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TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List ------------------------------------ lol Colin! > TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List > ------------------------------------ > Hi Jon, > Sorry for the delay - for some reason the new list emails won't display on > my Blackberry when I am on the road. I just noticed your email now. > > What I meant by marginal cars is the guy that buys, for example, a 1965 C > Code Mustang fastback for let's say $40k because a 65 Shelby is worth > $300k. > And he thinks that his C Code car will be worth $75k next year when people > "figure out" it is "just like a Shelby". You know the type of guy I am > talking about, the one that drives a Lexus everyday and thinks he really > knows collector cars because he gets the Dupont Registry. LOL > > Regards, > Colin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net> > To: "Shelby List" <shelbymustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:40 AM > Subject: [Shelbymustang] Marginal Cars > > > TheCarSource.com Shelby Mustang List > ------------------------------------ > Colin: > > You are becoming very popular- ha ha > > I found this article with you in it. I noticed that you mentioned > "marginal > cars" and that those types will have more of a direct impact from market > adjustments or basically "burn" the > owner/speculator. What constitutes marginal in your eyes. > > Im just curious. Thanks > > jon > > > > > > > > BLAME Milton Robson, an Atlanta car collector, for the sky-high prices of > muscle cars. > > > For Authenticity, It's a Numbers Game > Four years ago, Mr. Robson, a former grocery wholesaler, placed a > half-page > advertisement in Hemmings Motor News to sell his 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda, a > convertible equipped with a Hemi V-8 engine and a > four-speed manual transmission. The asking price - $1 million - was an > astounding sum, even considering that the car was one of just six > similarly > equipped 'Cudas that Chrysler built as 1971 models. > > "When I saw Mr. Robson's ad, I said to myself, 'Well, he's got to start > somewhere,' " Colin Comer, president of Colin's Classic Automobiles in > Milwaukee, said. "But he stuck to his guns and, sure > enough, his Hemi 'Cuda went to a broker who flipped it," he said, using > slang for a quick resale. > > The once-astronomical price seems quite reasonable today, as survivors of > the muscle-car era enter the millionaire's club, shouldering Bugattis, > Ferraris and Duesenbergs out of the limelight. In > January, at the Barrett-Jackson collector car auction in Scottsdale, > Ariz., > two icons of the period sold for seven-figure prices. > > A 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle convertible with a 454-cubic-inch V-8, decked > out > in replica lettering from its days as a drag racing champion, sold for > $1,242,000. A 1970 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda convertible > in blinding orange - High Impact Vitamin C in sales brochures - brought > $2,160,000. > > Two months later, a 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R with a history of racetrack > wins just missed the mark, bringing $990,000. A Shelby Cobra racecar sold > for $1.65 million at the same Amelia Island, > Fla., auction. > > Why would a car that cost $5,000 when new 35 years ago command $1 million > or > more today? The simple answer is that wealthy buyers know what they want > and > are willing to pay for it. And years of > steadily rising prices have made the purchase of a rare muscle car easier > to > justify as an example of investment-grade wish fulfillment. > > While there is no concise definition of what constitutes a muscle car, it > is > certain that the horsepower race in Detroit heated up considerably with > the > arrival of the Pontiac GTO for the '64 model > year. The one-upsmanship among carmakers continued for eight years, until > escalating insurance rates, unleaded gasoline and tepid horsepower ratings > shifted buyers toward personal luxury cars. > > Purists insist that a muscle car is made by marrying a big engine with a > four- or five-seat body, citing the example of the original GTO. The > engines > are typically from 383 to 454 cubic inches in > displacement (in the vernacular, "big-block" V-8's), with factory ratings > of > up to 450 horsepower. > > While sports cars like the Shelby Cobra and Chevrolet Corvette may qualify > on the basis of horsepower and zero-to-60 performance, sticklers regard > these powerful two-seaters as no more than > affiliate members of their club. Imported cars were never considered for > membership. > > Mr. Comer, 34, was born as the muscle car era was fading. He admits that > some of his affection for the cars is pure rebellion. "My dad told me > muscle > cars were cheap kids toys," he said. "I figured > that if he didn't like them, they had to be pretty cool." > > Like prices for other types of collectibles, muscle car values are > determined by well-established guidelines. In this lofty price class, > experienced buyers and sellers use special language to > appraise their qualities. > > Rarity is a virtue. In 1969, Chevrolet made 69 Camaros with aluminum > 427-cubic-inch V-8's for racing. Because even that meager supply exceeded > demand - the ZL1 engine option cost more than the base > car - many languished at dealerships. Today these are among the most > sought-after Camaros. Mr. Comer recently sold one for $840,000 and expects > them to top $1 million soon. > > Optional equipment adds value, especially less-common factory-installed > features like the model year's most powerful engine or a heavy-duty > transmission; high-performance options can distinguish a > top-shelf muscle car from a Plymouth Satellite that has little more than > bucket seats and a mainstream family-sedan engine. "The speculators buying > lesser cars in hopes the rising tide of top-dollar > muscle cars will make them wealthy are wrong," Mr. Comer said. "Market > adjustments are inevitable. When that happens, speculators who bought > marginal cars will get burned." > > History matters, and documentation is crucial. What collectors call > provenance traces the car to its origins by a bill of sale, paperwork > tucked > under the backseat by assembly-line workers, photos > from previous owners, or trophies earned at the racetrack. > > Included with the $1.2-million Chevelle auctioned in January were an > original New Jersey title, a factory "build sheet," and a collection of > magazine articles chronicling the car's drag-strip > victories. Ray Allen, who drove the car and directed its restoration, was > present at Barrett-Jackson to erase any doubts about the car's history > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > ShelbyMustang mailing list > Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Membership Administration > http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com > Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang > > > _______________________________________________ > ShelbyMustang mailing list > Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com > Membership Administration > http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com > Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang > _______________________________________________ ShelbyMustang mailing list Send email to ShelbyMustang (AT) thecarsource (DOT) com Membership Administration http://thecarsource.com/mailman/listinfo/shelbymustang_thecarsource.com Group Web Page http://www.thecarsource.com/shelbymustang
