67's with 427 Side Oiler

Dealer installed 427's need lots of documentation to prove. Shelby did not record what the dealers did once they got them.

 

Lots of claims ... but rarely much proof (though I've seen some pretty good - faked paperwork to support the claim

In any case if they were done they still aren't original so might as well put in a CJ

 

You would rather have a CJ than a side oiler????

 

Yes... in most cases that would be my choice ... and yes I've owned both

 

I have both and I would take the 427 any day but I guess every has different taste. I would only take the CJ (torque) if I were puttiing it in a truck.

 

mherman, The seller is sniffing his bathwater. There is No authentic
documentation of any description concerning 427's installed in '500's
by a dealer. SAAC states in the registery; "SAAC has yet to see any documentation that indicates any cars recieved 427 engines at a
dealership prior to the car's sale."
shlby66

 

The only problem is that there are a lot of people that don't get involved with SAAC and don't register their cars. So there is a lot of information that SAAC doesn't have. I have three 67 GT 500's and SAAC doesn't know who I am. One of them is the lowest mile GT 500 in the world known to exist. It was purchased to be a race car and it currently has a 427 tunnel port in it. And we all know about Charlie's car, the Super Snake. I would say that it is well documented. If you haven't seen it, here it is. Right from the horses mouth.

Super Snake



Two 427 tunnel ports -- Two 428's

 

Not sure if this is an issue or "problem". Knowing all the past owners or even current owners and their stories is not as important IMHO as what SAAC does have, all the production information and how the cars were originally. But different people place importance differently

But alot of owners are registering within the last couple of years due to so many changing hands.

 

Cougar: You DO NOt need to be a SAAC member in order to turn in your car(s) ownership info. Because even if you are not selling them, when the time comes, and it could be years, the next owner is going to want to see what the 'registry' has to say about them.

And then : if you bought each of these new, then you might have a claim about the 427's, but, the SAAC registry is also showing many 67 GT 500's with factory warranteed engines that the owners asked the Ford dealer to install the 427 block instead of the 428 block.

Note: asisde from Charlies well documented 1 0f 1 SuperSnake, there were 2 other 67 GT 500 "Drag cars" built. Maybe those have the 427 side oiler in them.

 

Cougar....I like your inventory!! Are you overstocked?? Mirrorman

 

The facts would only be what the owners SAID, which as Judge Judy would say is HEARSAY. All of the cars left the factory with the Q code engine. Maybe some day somebody can tell me where the term 428 Police interceptor came from in reference to the engines in the 67 GT 500's. They have the Q code Thunderbird engine that was warmed over by Shelby's crew. Including the 427 distributor, 64 427 damper and cast pulley, two four intake and carbs., air cleaner and valve covers. The Shelby documentation refers to them as special interceptors. The engine code for the police interceptor for 1967 was P. The only documented [real documents]427 car is the Super Snake. Nobody can say whether a 427 in the car will increase the value or not, but I don't care as I prefer them. Actually, I am in the process of installing one of the all aluminum Shelby 427's in one now. Just had it painted black with white stripes. I have been the Eliminator registrar for the Cougar Club of America for many years and I am well aware of how the registries work. When I first took over the registry I decided that I would try and document cars that were just listed as VIN numbers with owners names. I started to make phone calls on my own dimes. After about ten calls, I decided that it was a loosing effort. I learned that six of the Boss 302 Eliminators that were registered were just numbers that were found on junkyard cars but there was no notations in the registry. Nothing is written in stone.
Frank

 

cougar, agreed there are a lot of Shelby owners that have not joined SAAC
or have given them information concerning their cars. However, that is not the point.

The reality is: SAAC has all of the Shelby American documentation
on these cars. Additionally, SAAC has all of the Ford documentation as well as the warranty paperwork on cars that went to the dealer for warranty repair.

Shelby American documents show only 3 1967 Shelby 500's recieved a 427
engine installed at the factory. They are listed below.

#1.....#00289 a special order.

#2.....#00544 factory engineering car, became Super Snake.

#3.....#01947 a special order drag car.

If a dealer installed a 427 engine in a 1967 Shelby 500 prior to its sale; the
work order paperwork showing this would have been presented to the purchaser as a matter of course during the sale. So far to date, No
authentic paperwork has been made available for SAAC's inspection.

Records show only 3 Shelby's with 427 engines installed at the factory and
no documented dealer installed 427's.
shlby66

 

All three (3) 1967 Shelby GT500's that had a 427 engine installed at the
factory exist today.

#1.......#00289 Alive and well in NY state, being restored.

#2.......#00544 Super Snake, we all know this one.

#3.......#01947 Alive and well in CA, being restored.

Hope this clears up some questions.
shlby66

 

The paper work that SAAC has is only the warranty paper that the dealer had to turn into Ford so Ford would pay for the new engine. There are many stories that tell of the owner trying to order a 427 and not being able to get one, the dealer steped up and said "we can do that for you right here, if you buy the engine". So in this case Ford would not know and the dealer would not turn the paper work into Ford to say that this Shelby had it's 428 removed and a 427 installed. Some people even claim that they have the paper work from the dealer that states that a 427 was installed, but it doesn't msde there car a Super Snake, just an unusual car. This is the case with the GT350 on E-Bay right now that is said to have a 427 because the dealer couldn't get the buyer a GT500.

 

cobra427, And your point is? Obviously the warranty work orders were used for the dealer to get reimbursed by Ford. If a replacement engine was required for a warranty claim; and suspose a 427 was installed instead of a 428. So what? The point is: the car did not come from Shelby American
with a 427 installed and was not delivered brand new by the dealer with
a 427 installed.

There are lots of stories and assertions that a lot of '67 500's had 427's
installed by the dealer. However, to date, thats all they are: stories,
fabrications and gee whiz myths. At a later date ( after the original sale )
if the owner elected to replace the 428 with a 427, it simply doesn't
matter. The vehicle was not so equipped when sold brand new.

If a 1967 Shelby GT500 owner should have the proper paperwork and
documentation from the selling dealer showing that the work was performed previous to the original sale; presenting such to SAAC would be be most
informative.

Remember: It's the responsibility of the person claiming his/her Shelby was
delivered with a 427 installed to provide all of the documentation and proof
to substantiate their claim. To date, that has not happened.
shlby66