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Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Ranger Jerry, Feb 23, 2005.

  1. Ranger Jerry

    Ranger Jerry Well-Known Member

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    Hello anyone,
    I have a GT500KR that will not run for more then 15-20 minutes without overheating. The 428 CJ was professionally built by a shop in Denver back in 1986 and I've been restoring the car ever since. In 2000 I finished the car and started to show it around Colorado. Each time I take the car off the trailer it runs for a short while and overheats, a big problem if the show area is not close. I've checked the head gaskets,replaced the fan clutch,water pump,thermostat,radiator,hoses,heater core and all fluids. I've retimed changed the spark plugs nothing seams to work. The car has a aluminum PI intake manifold and a mild cam and is bored .30 over. Any suggestions!!! I would sure like to drive this car more than accross a parking lot
     
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    Wow you got me!sounds like you covered all the bases did you try the rad cap my K.R ran really warm till I changed the cap.Sounds like its not circulating at all could there be a blockage.Try it with no thermostat,alot of guys don't recomend running without one but it would be worth experimenting with. Good Luck
     
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    Check this: there is supposed to be a spring inside the lower radiator hose so it doesn't suck closed. If you can take your hand and squeeze the hose together, it is not in there.
     
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    I've tried a new Motorcraft 13 pound and a NAPA 16 pound. With the car running cap off the circulation moves nicely after the thermostat opens. The radiator hoses are new and the lower one does have the spring in place. I have not tried running it without a thermostat. I give it a try thanks, Ranger Jerry
     
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    When you say it over heats, does it boil over or is it the guage telling you it's hot? If it's just the guage telling you it's hot and it's not showing signs of anything else, then I would say it's a bad guage or sending unit.
     
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    I basically have the same car as you. My motor was bored 30 over and I decked the block and shaved the heads just a touch. Runs alittle over 11 to 1 CR, ported heads, bigger cam, headers etc. I have never had a over heating problem with it. Can drive it in 90+ degree. First thing to look at is the gauge. I installed a mechanical temp. gauge to see what it actually is running at. How hot is to the right of straight down? I didn't know either, thats why the gauge is so important. I have a 180 degree stat and the car will run 180 to 190 all day. Since you checked the flow by seeing the water run with the cap open I will assume there is no blockage or air pocket. Is the coolent to water ratio correct? The fan shround sealed againest the rad? Have you checked the timing? To far retard and it will run hot. Check your plugs, if white in colour then you know timing is out. Have you tried Redlines water wetter? First thing you have to do is find out how hot it really is running, simple a/c temp gauge in the rad fluid while it is running will do it if you don't want to install a gauge. Last resort would be a aluminum rad. Had my rad guy make me one useing my original tanks and side supports. Never know it wasn't the original rad. This may be way out there but is the water flowing in the correct direction?
     
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    DJR, thanks for all the suggestions I've tried everything that you mentioned except the aluminum radiator. I have a digital/laser thermometer that I can shoot temps on the heads, radiator, hoses and manifold. The car runs smoothly while idling, when the temp get to about 217 degrees I shut it down. Running it any longer the radiator boils over. You mentioned the water flowing the right direction. How do I determine that? I've had two different waterpumps on the engine.
    Thanks again and keep the ideas comming I'll find the answer yet. Ranger Jerry
     
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    A tight motor will run alittle hot but your beyond that now. The reason I asked about the water flow is I rebuilt a 5 litre with the serentine belt system. Stupid me routed the belt wrong which caused the pump to flow reverse. Car would idle fine but soon as it warmed up the thing would just pour out of the rad. I am pretty sure if you are standing in front of the car the water should flow from left to right but I will have to check to make sure. Eldelbrock makes a high flow aluminum water pump that flows 30% more then stock. My rad only cost me 250 bucks CDN to get made. It still is a 4 core rad but it has more rows thus more cooling fins to disapate the heat. Your sure the stat is openning? Try it without it just to see if there is a diff. By eliminating each possible cause (easiest first) eventually it will be solved. Keep the faith, been there done that.
     
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    It's now July 05 did you solve your overheat problem with the 428CJ?
    If not I may be able to help,as I once had the same problem as you and did all the same steps, all to no avail. Until I inspected the block and found the culprit,that was 225,000 fun miles ago and I live near Hell (Phx Az) to be exact.
    Let me know if you still need the info on overheating FE motors.
     
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    About four weeks ago I decided to check the first thing I replaced (the fan clutch) to see if it was bad. So I went to a local NAPA store and bought an after market one. I put it on, losing about 1/2 inch of clearance between the fan and the clutch. Well Father's day weekend I took the car to the Rocky Mountain Mustang Roundup and it didn't overheat, the guage went up but stayed below the H. I haven't taken it out for a long run yet. It's fire season here in CO and it's been hot here also. I'd still like to hear your thoughts. Thanks for your reply.

    Ranger Jerry
     
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    I have a couple of questions which may be silly, but since you have gone thru about everything, why not. Are you using a fan shroud? This question may be a bit more bizzare, have you checked your engine timing? In my limited experiances, these two things have made some kind of a difference in the temp on my car.
     
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    Guys,

    I have a rebuilt CJ .30 over that is also running hot. I am fairly confident it is the fan clutch. The car is an AC car but I do have an original non-ac clutch as well. WIll the car run hot with the AC off with the smaller clutch???

    Where is the best place to have these original clutches rebuilt?
     
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    Is your car an auto ?
    I bet the gearbox cooloin lines ar not working , then they will run hot . I had that on a GT350 car i had !!
    John
     

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