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715 cfm Holley Carb

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Jerry_Moss, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. Jerry_Moss

    Jerry_Moss Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys

    Can anyone tell me why this thing is so expensive????
    950 Dollars is a heavy price. Is it worth the money??
    As some of you might know i´m building a R Model clone
    as perfect as it was so i need that carb but again,....
    why is it so expnsive??? And how is its performance?

    Thanks again

    Bye Jerry
     
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    Anything to do with shelby is way overpriced due to rarity of some of the original parts.
     
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    True that anything Shelby nowadays is overpriced, that's why it makes sense to buy the most complete car possible. The 715 was a better unit than the standard HiPo Carb <Center pivot kept it from starving in turns, as I recall>
    Another tidbit - I was told that the Holly engineers completed the design just weeks before they started production of the first batch of 110 cars. The date code on # 17 is among the earliest I have seen. When I picked the car up, Howard asked me to read him that date code after we verified the Ford # under the tag.

    Mike
     
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    Jerry_Moss Well-Known Member

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    Hi Mike

    So you are saying:
    Price is high but it is defenetly worth the money??? :huh:
    Is there a place where they sell them cheaper or can
    i buy the fuel bowls and convert a 4150 to it??

    Jerry
     
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    You could do that. Le Mans fuel bowls are around $250 to $300 for the pair.
    And don't forget the fuel transfer tube. It's only going on a clone, right?
    shlby66
     
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    The right carb rebuilding kit is $65.00.
     
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    Since you are building a clone I suggest that you fond on of the replacement 715 (look the same but the date is normally 1969 on the air horn) Not cheap but allot less.

    Just a thought
     
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    Hi

    Just checked out this site you mentioned

    http://www.carlsfordparts.com/main.html

    And i am impressed! 225 Dollar less is a bargain!
    I will call him for details. The car will be expensive enough
    so i have to keep my money together.

    Thank´s for all your help guys you are perfect!!!! :thumbsup:

    Thanks
    Jerry
     
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    Hi Jerry,
    Please note that the 3259 has a #85 power valve so you must
    make sure your engine produces more than 10 inches of mercury
    at idle as measured by a vacuum meter. The original street
    GT350 had 15 as a minimum. My 65 is running about 16-16.5.
    Many hot cams give you a very low idle vacuum.
    Also, if I don't recall wrong the R-models used the 3255 Holley
    which was the same as used on the 427 Cobra. Experts here,
    please correct me if I am wrong. 3255 had larger venturis and
    was rated at 780cfm.
    Texas Swede
     
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    I had Pony Carbs rebuild a 715 cfm Holley for the original 289 in my 67 GT350. The engine had had the heads ported and a pretty large (10" vacuum at 950) cam in it.

    I was very, very disappointed with the low end throttle response. The big carb with the big cam on a small motor was a bad combo.

    Believe it or not I ended up putting a 500 cfm Edelbrock (yes, 500) on it and the difference was night and day. Would pull 4th gear at 1500 rpm no problem. Ran out of breath at 5500 but the motor was tired and I didn't rev it any more than that.

    IMO on a 289 the 715 might make more power above 5000 than say a 600 cfm carb but if you run the 715 you are going to give up something on the lower end.

    Now I have a 347 with a 750 which works great.
     
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    Hi Guys

    Now it´s getting real interesting.
    I wanted to pick the cam wich is sold by cobrand
    that was in the GT350. With solid lifters.
    Correct me but i thought the R Models had the same cam
    as the S version. All they did was porting to increase power
    on R Models. What else??
    Is there any page where i can read details about R Model engines??
    Some how it seems the pyramides in egypt are more well known
    as the myth about the R Models :confused:

    I´m only building a clone but i want it really real thats why
    i´m so accurate

    Thanks guys please help
     
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    I'm certainly no expert on R-Models but I have read that they did (maybe some?) have a different cam. I would email Howard Pardee or Craig Conley with any R-Model questions, they are the experts.
     
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    I have a Comp 270S (Mechanical Flat Tappet, Advertised Duration 270/270, Lift .499/.499) in my 289 with factory heads.

    Maybe it was just dumb luck, but when I switched from my Edelbrock 1406 to the Holley 3259, it was like driving a new car. It is much faster now. The Edelbrock was in good tune, too. It ran good before, but now it is really fast.

    I know most people will argue the 715 cfm is too much carb for a 289, but it really works for me. I don't know what the folks at Shelby's logic was back in the day, but apparently it worked for them, too.

    John Thomas
     
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    This is from a 289 HD Race engine

    Cam - Sullivan ( so likely a custom grind)
    Type - Flat tappet
    Duration - Intake....296 Exhaust.....296
    Lift - Intake....510 Exhaust.....515
    Timing - Lash .025
    Exhaust Opening - 76 BTDC Exhaust Close - 40 ATDC
    TDC - 139
    Intake Opening - 41 BTDC Intake Close - 75 ATDC

    Heads - Ported by Valley Head service with Dual coil Isky springs and Shelby aluminum retainers and milled by Hydro Head
    Intake valve - 1.875 Exhaust - 1.625

    Machine work calls for "welding and milling heads"
    Port manifold
    Port and polish cylinder heads
    Balance crank assembly
    Degree damper

    Carb - Holley
    Jetting Main- Pri - 66
    Idle - Sec 13

    Spark Plugs
    Autolite BF601

    Ignition
    - Dual point
    Initial advance - 12 degrees
    Total advance - 38 degrees

    Dyno Sheets show

    1st run
    Torque - 276
    Corrected HP - 380
    @7200 RPM
    Peak torque @5500 RPM (318)

    2nd run
    Torque - 290
    Corrected HP - 400
    @7200 RPM
    Peak torque @5500 RPM (323)

    Hope this helps

    Jeff
     
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    Jerry_Moss Well-Known Member

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    Wow Jeff!!!:lmao:
    Where the hell do you have this information from?
    Great!!!! :dance: :thumbsup: :lmao:
    You gave me a direction of what parts to search for thanks!!!

    Do you think if i order a cam and tell them those infos
    that there is a cam from comp cams or so ever that is
    close to this one??

    Bye and many thanks
    Jerry
     
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    You should be able to get a custom grind if that I what you want. Not sure if I've included all the info needed. .... if not, let me know and I'll see if there is something else I can find
     
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    I have a copy of an original engineering sheet on the 3259 from Holley. The date on it is December 4, 1964.
     
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    I would love to have a copy of that!
    What is the date code on your carb <if original>

    Mike

    SFM 5 017
     

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