Now this raises a good question. What is under an original Plazaglas decal,= paint or bare fiberglass? Can anybody recall? Any body component like that of a manufacturer of fiberglass should have ha= d the ability to paint or primer their parts before leaving their factory I= suspect. How did Plazaglass prep the 1967 Hoods and Deck lids? Of course P= lazaglas would have added their Plazaglas decal and not Shelby American. Sh= elby American would have to paint every part in body color. Rather than the= decal falling off I would suspect that Shelby American would try to peel o= ff the decal. Painting over a decal would look poor in the eyes of a custom= er and it was not the way Ford would do it. After trying to peal off a few = decals I would also suspect that Shelby American would have told Plazaglas = to stop putting the decal on. In 1967 if Plazaglass was near Toronto, Canad= a and Shelby American was in California, there was some lag time in the sup= ply chain. Are Plazaglas decals seen on only early model 1967 Shelbys or all of them? Jim Seisser =20 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gaines <bgaines@kc.rr.com> Sent: Mar 18, 2005 11:30 PM To: Robert Gaines <bgaines@kc.rr.com> Cc: APPTELINC@aol.com, g.kolasa@us.army.mil, shelbymustang@carmemories.com Subject: Re: PlazaGlas Decals painted or unpainted I forgot to address the question of the stickers . I think they would=20 have been painted over if left on, but I suspect that they mostly fell=20 off before being painted . I have seen many more surviver hoods/decklids=20 without a sticker outline then with a outline of a missing sticker (I=20 have only seen original stickers still on in pictures sent to me ) which=20 makes me think that they fell or were taken off most of the time . Bob=20 G. On Friday, March 18, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Robert Gaines wrote: > Mike, It is my belief that this hood and decklid are examples of ones=20 > that normally would have been painted black but for what ever reason=20 > were not. All of the 67 vintage magazine under hood photos show a=20 > completely body color under hood treatment like was done in 65 66 and=20 > 68 most of the time . I don't know why 67 would be any different. Can=20 > you? I have observed on many surviver cars the blacked out variation ,= =20 > the fully painted body color variation and the unpainted or black=20 > primer underside with body color overspray variation. As I have said=20 > before I think that the hood/decklids that did not get painted=20 > satisfactory were supposed to be blacked out but I acknowledge the=20 > existence of the overspray covered type like the pictures illustrate.=20 > When judging cars I would not and could not in good conscious deduct =20 > points in a concours event for one variation or another because there=20 > is providence for all of the variations mentioned. We all know that=20 > there is a way that the cars were intended to be built at the factory=20 > and when restoring your car I do not see any harm in fixing a mistake=20 > that might have happened that wasn't part of the blueprint and making=20 > it more like it was meant to be. By the same token you can leave a=20 > mistake or something irregular the way it was done workmanship wise=20 > also. Myself, I like to restore the cars the way they were most of the=20 > time which includes a certain amount of drips ,overspray etc.in places=20 > that they were commonly found . You just have to remember if there is =20 > something irregular do you want to explain it everytime. Maybe you do=20 > and maybe you don't. Bob G. > On Friday, March 18, 2005, at 04:03 PM, APPTELINC@aol.com wrote: > >> I think it depended on who was painting, and what day, and perhaps=20 >> even if it was the hood or rear deck... >> Pic one is an original shot of my car before any resto was done, with=20 >> the plaza sticker that became the template for the roll that was made.= =20 >> No over spray, clean, although the gasket hides most of the paint=20 >> lines.=A0Pic 2 is the "Killian" car. Super low miles, never apart, over= =20 >> spay was on sticker before it fell off >> =A0 >> Kenny & Bob, what do you think? >> Mike >> =A0 >> In a message dated 3/18/2005 9:06:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 >> g.kolasa@us.army.mil writes: >> >> Mike, >> >> =A0 >> >> I just had a thought on the PlazaGlas decals:=A0 wouldn't they have been= =20 >> painted over body color byShelby?=A0 Plaza makes the parts, installs=20 >> their "made by" decals, then ship the hoods to Shelby who paints them,= =20 >> painting over the decals, then puts the hoods and decks on the cars.=A0= =20 >> Make sense? >> >> =A0 >> >> GREG >> >> >> =A0 >> ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
