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1965 Mustang GT350 Spare

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Texas Swede, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. Texas Swede

    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    When a dealer ordered the optional Cragars from Shelby
    in 1965, did he/she get 4 or 5 wheels, i.e. including the spare?
    Looked at original pictures of car #114 that Shelby shipped
    to Europe as his personal drive and it clearly has 4 Cragars and
    a steel wheel as spare. Pictures are shown on 5S284's web page.
    Also, there are several pictures from a German magazine, Auto
    Motor und Sport, issue #20 from 1965 where they test a 65 and
    it has 4 Cragars and a steel wheel as spare. This article is presented
    at the web page of the German Mustang Club.
    /Texas Swede
     
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    YELLOWBOSS2 Well-Known Member

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    Mine has the Shelby/Crager spare with the original Blue Dot thats never been on the gorund.
     
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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Dave,
    According to the 97 SAAC Registry 5S396 came with
    Cragars from the factory. My car, 5S275 also came with
    Cragars as proved by the original invoice and order from the
    dealer to Shelby American and SAAC Registry.
    However, an earlier owner of my car, Russell Barnes from Texas
    advertised in the SAAC publication under wanted for a Cragar spare
    wheel in the late 70's. When I bought the car in 1988 and several
    owners later it had a Cragar spare. This is one of the odd things
    with 65's and from factory equipped with Cragars, some cars got 4
    and others got 5?
    Texas Swede
     
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    vernonestes Well-Known Member

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    I think this seems to go on in shelby history.
    Being a small company....shelby gave you what was cost effective at the time or for that matter, whatever was at hand.
    Good examples, the 1966 carry over cars and the 427 cobras that came originally with 428 engines.
    Best Regards,
    Vern
     
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    According to Howard P., a Cragar spare would be correct.

    MIke
     
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    It would seem to me that the Cragar spare would be correct. With a steel wheel for a spare you would have to have an additional 5 lugnuts to go with it. ...Didn't the Cragars use a washer with the nut? (where would they go and not get lost?) If a car came with only four aluminum wheels it was probably a dealer add on.. not from Shelby.

    I am just guessing here..
    jimbo
     
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    Anything other than steel <standard>, Cragar <optional> or AR Torq Thrust <R only, but I found my car with period correct TT's, even thogh it is a steel wheel car> would be an "after market" or dealer installed option, and if a dealer put on something like that, it would require documentation to support it.

    Mike
     
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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys,
    Thanks for all your input. I have attached 3 pictures from Auto Motor und
    Sport #20 from 1965. This car was tested in Germany and they took these pictures. 4 Cragars on the car and a steel wheel spare. This means that,
    at least this car, was delivered from the US to Germany like this. Could have been dealer installed or factory installed wheels and I don't think we will
    find out as the serial number isn't mentioned in the article. It's a rear mounted
    battery car and as you can see it has the 3-hole spoke steering wheel.
    After checking the SAAC registry, I believe it's a car between #125-250.
    Texas Swede
     

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    I'd say it was after 109 but before 256.
    As always, with ANYTHING Shelby, there are exceptions to the rule.

    Nice pix, I don't have that mag in my stash.

    Mike
     
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    YELLOWBOSS2 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a pic of my spare.
     

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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Yellowboss2,
    Is it that simple, the spare was turned upside down?
    If that's the case, I feel like an idiot. The picture from the
    German magazine isn't clear enough to be sure but it makes
    sense. However, my attaching bolt is much too long to connect
    it this way. Could have been changed along the line though.
    /Texas Swede
     
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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Mike,
    Sent you the pictures and the link to the First Mustang Club of Germany.
    A lot to read about Shelbys and Mustangs. Very professional club.
    Texas Swede
     
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    Got it, Thanks.
    That car is believed to be SFM 5S114

    Mike
     
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    Texas, The answer to your question would be, yup, upside down.
     
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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Hi Dave and again thanks for the photo.
    Yesterday, I turned the spare wheel with the Blue Dot tire
    around and I found that I had extended the bolt with a spacer
    and treaded rod. Had forgot that. However the bolt was still
    a little bit too long, i.e. the treaded part was above the plate
    to be able to tighten the spare. Placed a thin spacer in there.
    Also, the plate didn't have the 3 bent down guiders that a
    standard Mustang plate has. Do you use a small spacer
    and what about the plate?
    Thanks,
    /Texas Swede
     
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    Texas,

    I won't be home for a week.
    I will look when I get home and let you know.
     
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    Thanks Dave,
    Texas Swede
     
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    Here is a pic of my spare.
    They used the 3 tab plate with a lug nut and lock washer.
     

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    Texas Swede Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Dave,
    That is a great picture. Now I know how the 3 tab plate
    can be used. Only when the wheel is upside down. It won't fit
    with the wheel up. The center is too small. Fortunately I have
    the correct plate and a 6th used original Cragar wheel to check
    on. Will paint the extra plate and put a lug nut as a spacer instead
    of what I use now.
    Again, thanks a million for your troubles, it's really appreciated.
    Texas Swede
     

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