When a dealer ordered the optional Cragars from Shelby in 1965, did he/she get 4 or 5 wheels, i.e. including the spare? Looked at original pictures of car #114 that Shelby shipped to Europe as his personal drive and it clearly has 4 Cragars and a steel wheel as spare. Pictures are shown on 5S284's web page. Also, there are several pictures from a German magazine, Auto Motor und Sport, issue #20 from 1965 where they test a 65 and it has 4 Cragars and a steel wheel as spare. This article is presented at the web page of the German Mustang Club. /Texas Swede
Thanks Dave, According to the 97 SAAC Registry 5S396 came with Cragars from the factory. My car, 5S275 also came with Cragars as proved by the original invoice and order from the dealer to Shelby American and SAAC Registry. However, an earlier owner of my car, Russell Barnes from Texas advertised in the SAAC publication under wanted for a Cragar spare wheel in the late 70's. When I bought the car in 1988 and several owners later it had a Cragar spare. This is one of the odd things with 65's and from factory equipped with Cragars, some cars got 4 and others got 5? Texas Swede
I think this seems to go on in shelby history. Being a small company....shelby gave you what was cost effective at the time or for that matter, whatever was at hand. Good examples, the 1966 carry over cars and the 427 cobras that came originally with 428 engines. Best Regards, Vern
It would seem to me that the Cragar spare would be correct. With a steel wheel for a spare you would have to have an additional 5 lugnuts to go with it. ...Didn't the Cragars use a washer with the nut? (where would they go and not get lost?) If a car came with only four aluminum wheels it was probably a dealer add on.. not from Shelby. I am just guessing here.. jimbo
Anything other than steel <standard>, Cragar <optional> or AR Torq Thrust <R only, but I found my car with period correct TT's, even thogh it is a steel wheel car> would be an "after market" or dealer installed option, and if a dealer put on something like that, it would require documentation to support it. Mike
Hi guys, Thanks for all your input. I have attached 3 pictures from Auto Motor und Sport #20 from 1965. This car was tested in Germany and they took these pictures. 4 Cragars on the car and a steel wheel spare. This means that, at least this car, was delivered from the US to Germany like this. Could have been dealer installed or factory installed wheels and I don't think we will find out as the serial number isn't mentioned in the article. It's a rear mounted battery car and as you can see it has the 3-hole spoke steering wheel. After checking the SAAC registry, I believe it's a car between #125-250. Texas Swede
I'd say it was after 109 but before 256. As always, with ANYTHING Shelby, there are exceptions to the rule. Nice pix, I don't have that mag in my stash. Mike
Yellowboss2, Is it that simple, the spare was turned upside down? If that's the case, I feel like an idiot. The picture from the German magazine isn't clear enough to be sure but it makes sense. However, my attaching bolt is much too long to connect it this way. Could have been changed along the line though. /Texas Swede
Mike, Sent you the pictures and the link to the First Mustang Club of Germany. A lot to read about Shelbys and Mustangs. Very professional club. Texas Swede
Hi Dave and again thanks for the photo. Yesterday, I turned the spare wheel with the Blue Dot tire around and I found that I had extended the bolt with a spacer and treaded rod. Had forgot that. However the bolt was still a little bit too long, i.e. the treaded part was above the plate to be able to tighten the spare. Placed a thin spacer in there. Also, the plate didn't have the 3 bent down guiders that a standard Mustang plate has. Do you use a small spacer and what about the plate? Thanks, /Texas Swede
Thanks Dave, That is a great picture. Now I know how the 3 tab plate can be used. Only when the wheel is upside down. It won't fit with the wheel up. The center is too small. Fortunately I have the correct plate and a 6th used original Cragar wheel to check on. Will paint the extra plate and put a lug nut as a spacer instead of what I use now. Again, thanks a million for your troubles, it's really appreciated. Texas Swede