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"A" code instead of "K" code fender stamp

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Shelby~gt350#3000, Oct 13, 2007.

  1. Shelby~gt350#3000

    Shelby~gt350#3000 Well-Known Member

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    This will be hopefully an interesting thread to many.

    If your a Shely owner you know that under your riveted Shelby tag on the drivers inner fender apron is the original "FORD VIN". Most Shelby enthusiasts don't know that in 1967 Ford made a Ford serial number error on many 67 mustangs. The 5th digit on the Ford VIN'S for 1967 Mustangs equipped with the hi-po 289 should read "K". Well several Mustangs destined to be Shelbys got the "A" stamp rather then the "K" stamp. SAAC registrant Dave Matthews has confirmed as being a fact. Shelby #3000 is one of those cars and has a confirmation letter from SAAC confirming the error.

    Im curious how many people with Shelbys have the same stamping error.

    Jim
     
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    65gtfastback Well-Known Member

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    Have noticed notations in the 97 registry on indiviidual cars having "A"s. You may be able to figure out the total number from there but it would be time consuming. Dave may have the total number figured already.
     
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    There are also some GT500's with K code.
     
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    #3014 has the 'A' stamp. I understand at least a couple of people passed on the car before I bought it in 1990. At the time it was not common knowledge.
     
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    Your Shelby is closly numbered to mine. I wonder if its in a consecutive build. Good question too if Dave has a count.

    Jim
     
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    Hi,
    I am curious about the A codes. Did they, in fact, come with
    HiPo 289's from the San Jose' factory? If they did, what number is stamped
    on the original block? Does the A appear on all three places on the car?
    Maybe these cars were already serialized when Shelby's orders appeared
    and they decided to send these cars instead of waiting?
    Texas Swede
     
  7. Shelby~gt350#3000

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    67 hipo blocks did not come stamped with vin #'s, only date codes from what I was told by Dave at SAAC.

    This car was a double stamp car on one side of the apron and another stamp on the other apron. All 3 stamps show "A" code.

    Jim
     

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    Several years back when I first called Ford Customer Service to order the History 999 report for my newly acquired 67GT350 they could not find anything under the actual Ford 7R02K Vin but they did have a listing under a 7R02A Vin. The Ford rep read off the options and it was definitely my car except for the A in the engine designation. Everything else matched up correctly with the SAAC Registrar's information and Marti Report. I also noticed in my Marti Report in the top section with all the associated numbers in a row also lists the vin just in that section as 7R02A instead of 7R02K. Has anybody else had similar experience like this? My car does have the "K" stamped under the Shelby Vin plate.
    David
     
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    daltondavid Well-Known Member

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    actually there were VIN stampings on 289 Hi Po 67 Cars. but about 150 did not receive them My car is one of those. the Build stamp and Cats date match up as correct though.
     
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    I have a friend with an "A" code 67 GT350...

    I also had touble obtaining a History "999" report....
    Still waiting on it!! probably ordered it 3 months ago...

    My 67 GT350 has no VIN numer on the block...all date codes are correct...appears to have never been tampered/removed, at time of restoration...

    Mark
     
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    All the confusion came from the way Ford set up the special order (different from 65 and 66) in that the 350's were speced as A codes then they deleted the A code and replaced it with a K (in the paperwork). It was apparently easier (on paper) than adding all the pulleys, brackets .... to the K

    If you recall the Add/Delete spell this out (second item down the first page)

    Kevin Marti's records from Ford (from my understanding) show the A for most of your VIN's in the records.

    Notice a 67 Shelby that was ended today where the owner listed the Ford VIN (with A code) rather than the Shelby one. Sure this had a great effect on how it ended
     
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    I thought ALL 67 Shelbys were date coded only and 68's were stamped with vin's. If you say only 150, that number seems low:unsure:
     
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    Here is a question....... with all of the Mustang Books out there that have the Stats on Mustangs....... When they give the count on how many Mustangs came with K Code HiPo's, they include the Shelbys. Now the question is, IS the Number given for the 1967 K Code Mustangs Wrong because of the ones with the "A" stampings? Sorry, I don't have access to the Number because all of my Books are packed away.
    David.
     
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    FWIW, #3014 has no VIN on the block, all date codes are in the correct mid-May date window, and the trans has the partial VIN. The Marti on mine also shows an 'A' in the data line. Wonder how many got parted out because of this anomaly?
     
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    Don't believe so since none of the Mustangs received an A in place of the K from my understanding. This as a San Jose issue with one or more workers responsible for taking the information from the add/delete sheets and stamping the inner fenders.
     
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    This whole thread was started because many K Code Mustangs were stamped with an A Code (instead of a K). The Mustangs were stamped with the VIN at the Factory before it was shipped to Shelby. If the paper work said "A" and the Car was stamped with an "A", wouldn't it be safe to assume the car was counted as an "A" instead of a "K" Code Car makeing the Count wrong?
    David.
     
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    No I would not assume that

    It really depends on when and were the information for the reported total came from and we don't know that. Since the only cars mismarked was some of the Shelby cars and not the RPO Mustangs I'm sure Kevin could answer the question pretty easy if someone was concerned enough to pay for a report
     
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    I have an email into Dave Mathews at SAAC. Waiting to see what he knows about it.
    Jim
     
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    Hi to all on this topic.As mentioned Kevin Marti has the info,and in the book Mustang by the numbers the count is listed.Interesting to note it says 1174 G.T.350 Cars produced,not the 1175 we have come to know.It would actually be only known to SAAC which are coded as A or K and that information is sealed. The marti research uses A to ask the computer as well as K and this is for shelbys only..so the 67 mustang K count is not affected.If we were in an ideal world,Kevin and Dave would be sharing info and we would have a much better picture of the entire production window,but this could potentially lead to cloning which is why things are set in stone,and should remain this way.If you really need to know or find out info.join the club,or send Kevin some money.The book by Kevin is good and clears up a lot of old myths--like no W code mustangs were ever produced.and no BOSS 302 cars with a/c and so you will realize how rare a 67 K mustang is--the total is 489 which is for all three body types.316 4 speed cars and 173 C4 automatic cars.When you consider the total was over 470,000 mustangs produced for the 67 bodystyle..they are rare cars. Aren't cars fun?:)
     
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    SO..... 1175 Shelby G.T. 350 Mustangs were built but only 489 K Code Mustangs were Built. Are you counting the "Mustang" K Codes seperate from the Shelby K Codes? Since the Shelbys were Mustangs before they were shiped to Shelby I would think that Fords Numbers would include ALL K Code's which means even counting the ones going to Shelby. I just want to understand how they are being counted. Thanks.
    David.
     

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