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1967 Running Production Changes

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by rsimkins, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. Shelby6t7

    Shelby6t7 Well-Known Member

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    1-Fuel line routing transmission tunnel or rocker panel
    2-10 spokes or Magstars, what about hubcap cars?
    3-Washer bag or washer bottle
    4-Black top air cleaners (GT-500) or natural
    5-Steering wheel style
    6-Amp meter wiring had 3 different types of wrap. 1-plastic spiral (early cars), 2-rubberized tubing (mid production), 3-wire harness tape (late cars).
     
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  2. rsimkins

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    Eric,

    With respect to grills, 1. and 2. are inboard grills and 3. is the outboard grill. Correct?

    With respect to two piece nose sections we can certainly track them but some question arise such as 1) were they truly a production change or were they just used once in a while, 2) were they an experiment that didn't quite work out, and 3) do we have any idea as to how many cars had them and approximately what the serial number range might be?


    Shelby6t7,

    1. Fuel line routing could also be connected with D.S.O. numbers. We can track this.
    2. I don't think that hubcaps were a running production change. Magstars vs. 10 spokes is a running change for the optional wheel.
    3. Same as 1.
    4. OK.
    5. I would think the steering wheel change was a change by the wheel manufacturer. I've never seen more than one part number for the wheel other than desinating G.T.350 or G.T.500. We can track this as well.


    I'll post the revised list of items to be tracked tomorrow. Anyone else have any input?
     
  3. ELJ1st500

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    Roy,

    Yes, the slanted grills (1 or 2 piece) were all inboards. I believe the 2 piece vertical grills are both inboard and outboard.

    I know that Kenny has mentioned natural and black oval air cleaner tops on the GT 500s. What about the oval air cleaner tops that did not say COBRA on them?

    Thanks,
    Eric
     
  4. Shelby6t7

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    Roy:

    If we are strictly going with production changes only, then I don't think that the "Z" preceeding the Shelby VIN can be considered a production change. It was used as a means of identification not a change.
    I believe that the 2 piece nose was an experiment in fit and finish. I have only seen about a half a dozen or so cars with this type of nose.

    Kenny
     
  5. roddster

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    The Fuel line change, and the shift to the washer bottle were Fomoco changes. Happened during April or May of 1967. Not related to Shelby production. (but notable to track) All the Mustangs built got them both.
     
  6. Shelby6t7

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    .Inboard vs. Outboard Headlights
    2.One Piece Front Grilles vs. Two Piece Front Grilles
    3.Body color Headlight Trim Rings vs. Chrome Headlight Trim Rings
    4.Early style Headlight Bracket vs. Late style Headlight Bracket
    5.Grille Emblem vs. no Grille Emblem
    6.Air Extractor (Upper Scoops) Lights
    7.Functional vs. Non-functional Brake Scoops
    8.Studded Tail Bezels vs. Through Hole Tail Light Bezels
    9.Flat Rear Tail Light Panels vs. Curved (or Raised) Tail Light Panels
    10.Flat Gas Caps vs. Curved Gas Caps
    11.Exhaust Trim (Hi-Po Mustang vs. Cougar) vs. no trim
    12.6 Point Roll Bars vs. 4 Point Roll Bars
    13.Rollbar rubber Trim vs. no Rollbar rubber Trim
    14.Fold-down Seat Latch Trim Plate vs. no Fold-down Seat Latch Trim Plates
    15.Smooth Upholstery vs. Comfort Weave Upholstery
    16.Steel Frame Hoods vs. all fiberglass construction
    17.Steel Frame Deck Lids vs. all fiberglass construction
    18.Spiral Wrap vs. Vinyl Tube covered Amp Meter Wiring
    19.Gray Amp meter Block vs. Black Amp Meter Block
    20.MagStar Wheels vs. 10 Spoke Wheels
    21."Z" VINs vs. VINs w/o "Z"

    Let's be clear here, are we documenting Shelby running changes or Ford running changes or both?? If it's Shelby only then #s 11, 14 and 15 are Ford changes as well.

    Kenny
     
  7. patty.dilabio

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    Hi to all! Just to clarify things,a little,the washer reservoir changed march 1st to the plastic type.This is clear in all Ford parts and service cataloges.They show both and give the dates as before 3-1-67 for the bag type,and from 3-1-67 for the plastic type.Not sure about when the fuel line change occured,I think Snakepit may be able to help with this.Also in the type of hood section shouldn't we include hoods with louvers?A yet to be mentioned Ford change is steering columns,and to get hyper technical...the a/c belt tensioner also changed,which meant a different length of belt.Again these are Ford changes,and really are not Shelby production variences which your chart is set up to track.Let us keep it Shelby and see if there is room to modify later.
    :) :)
     
  8. Bob Gaines

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    In reading the last post patty.dilabio mentioned the A/C belt tensioner. The A/C tensioner did not change until 3/68 . This was a Ford change. That tensioner which had a cast iron base instead of the later steel plate base was different for big block and small block in 67 and early 68. When it changed in 3/68 to the steel plate base it changed to a universal type that worked for both big block and small block. Just for FYI the compressor brkt and lower fixed pulley are also unique to the 67 early 68 style. 2/67 was when the fuel line changed from the tunnel to the rocker.
     
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  9. GT350N4

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    Very neat thread. I unfortunately do not have the car anymore but I used to own #0004. It was an original "showing car" and was supposedly the first car shipped Oct '66. It had all of the neat features. Some of them that I did not see mentioned were:

    1. Hood Prop Rod
    2. No hood springs, tabs were cut off of the hinges
    3. Underdash gauge pod was the early type that did NOT have the two screws on the filler panel.

    It had all of the other early items, braced roll bar bolted through wheel houses, flat tailight panel, one piece slanted grill, flared rubber on roll bar instead of doughnuts, scoop lights, metal framed hood and deck lid, no grille emblem, body color headlight rings, studded taillight rings, cut out rear valance with chrome trim modified from '66 gt rings, ect.

    That was one I should have kept!:doh:
     
  10. roddster

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    First thing: The fellow I know with the late car said that his are not original, so, can somebody with a late car measure the depth of their tail light boxes?
    Seems they are thinner in order to more easily fit in the spare.

    The Ford Changes that should be included are:
    Latch covers for the fold down seat incorporated when?
    Smooth seats: up to mid-Dec 1966 production, and late cars, Ok, when on the late cars? Date or vin number on the lates?
    Fuel line change: Feb.1967
    Washer bag to washer bottle change: March 1st 1967

    And to the former owner of #0004: And did the car not have the 66 Shelby sill plate emblem (if it had original sill plates) and a 66 Shifter knob?
     
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    Yes and Yes!
     
  12. rsimkins

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    Update to all who are interested in this project,

    I'll be trying to get the list finalized over the weekend (time permitting). My work load is very heavy at the monent so there may be periods during whick I'll not be posting.

    I have a database being developed right now. Some fine tuning will occur over the next couple of weeks, so be bear with me. This will be a large project that collects quite a bit of data, it can only happen with input from all of us. My thanks to all who have made suggestion to this point and I'll try to accomodate all requests.

    One note, I believe that the FoMoCo changes can also be correlated to D.S.O. numbers, this is something we'll keep track of along with the Shelby VIN.
     
  13. shelbyguy

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    Do you need a list like this?

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    EARLY CARS

    Black crinkle painted air cleaner top
    GT350 - Intake manifold - early used S2MS
    Shelby tags - hand lettered

    Washer bag
    GT350's had the filter mounted on the carb from early 66 production on. GT500 had the filter mounted on the pump through out 67 production.
    Black twist on oil breather cap
    Oil Filler & Breather Caps: Early caps had "FoMoCo" stamped on the tops.
    Amp Gauge Junction Block - Early Style
    Amp Gauge Wiring wrapped in whitish plastic spiral wrap


    Fuel lines run down transmision tunnel
    (2) piece welded exhaust tips


    Smooth Seats
    Roll bars - 4pt
    Steering wheels variations
    Gauge pod center plate with screws.
    NO Rollbar donuts
    Removable cover on roll bar
    Seatbelt warning light VS without
    Door Sill Emblems: Early door sill emblems had 1 line and said "Shelby American Inc.


    Flat gas cap
    One Piece Slanted grill
    Painted headlight rings
    Reinforced Fiberglass hoods & Decklids
    Side marker lights (upper Scoop marker lights)
    Rear valance rings
    2 piece front fiberglass
    Flat tail panel
    Inboard Lights
    Headlight buckets held in clamps
    Tail light wiring harness from mustang harness to tail lights using butt connectors
    Magstars VS ten spoke VS hubcap
    Taillight trim ring without exposed screws
    Functional side scoops
    Non Louvered hood

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    LATE CARS

    Aluminum air cleaner top
    GT350 - Intake manifold - Later used S7MS
    Shelby tags - stamped
    " Z " stamping on the Shelby tags?
    Plastic washer bottle

    Chrome oil breather cap
    Oil Filler & Breather Caps: Later caps had "Autolite," stamped on the tops.
    Amp Gauge Junction Block - C5 type
    Amp Gauge Wiring wrapped in blk tape and later still it was covered in a blk plastic sheath .


    Fuel lines routed along rocker panels
    One piece NOT welded exhaust tips


    Comfort Weave Seats
    Roll bars - 2pt
    Steering wheels variations
    Gauge pod center plate without screws
    Rollbar donuts
    Molded on type cover on roll bar
    Seatbelt warning light VS without
    Door Sill Emblems: The later emblems had 2 lines which said "Shelby American Inc." first line, and "Los Angeles California" the second.


    Radius gas cap
    Two Piece Grill
    Chrome headlight rings
    Fiberglass hoods & Decklids without reinforcement
    No side marker lights (upper Scoop marker lights)
    No rings - Use reg GT Valance
    1 piece front fiberglass
    contoured tail panel
    Outboard Lights
    Headlight buckets bolted to plate type
    Tail light wiring harness from mustang harness to tail lights using rubber sheathing VS wrapped type
    Magstars VS ten spoke VS hubcap
    Taillight trim ring with exposed screws
    Non functional side scoops
    Non - Louvered & Louvered hood
     
  14. Shelby6t7

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    Roddster:

    You brought up another running change that we missed, the sill plate emblem. Very early cars got the 66 style "CS" logo, then the next run was the single line Shelby American with the Cobra, then the later cars got the 2 line Shelby American with Cobra emblem.


    Vinyl tape wire wrap was the latest version both on taillight and ammeter harness. Swap the gauge pod cover screws on your list. No on early, yes on late. The seatbelt warning light was never a standard issue item, even though Bob Gaines #0001 car has one. :)

    Kenny
     
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    Kenny,

    Didn't I just list all of that?
     
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    You would need a general statement IMHO stating something like the change over date/car for each of the changes are not not all the same. Changes took place at different times throughout the production year (some the result of changes at San Jose and others at Shelby). As well the terms "Early" and "Late" are very general ;)

    Great start though

    Jeff

    Kenny - Good to see you here
     
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    Correct, Not on early cars, yes on later cars.

    Also early 350's had hipo style chrome air cleaner with the blue and white COBRA decal, not the oval aluminum piece, painted or otherwise.;)
     
  18. Shelby6t7

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    Jim:

    Yes, your list is almost 100% correct , however it needed a little tweeking :thumbup:
    Jeff your the man! Good to see you chiming in too!

    Kenny
     
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    Hello,

    I know we have been through this one recently, but just to clarify terminology: The upper scoop lights on the early cars are brake/turn signals - not marker lights.

    Thanks,
    Eric
     
  20. shelbyguy

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    Hello Jeff,
    I did hammer this list out with Bob Gaines, Jim Cowles and Dave Mathews.

    I gave Dave the list a long time ago. With projections on Early VS late time periods. Like the side markers light through #200 ect.

    It should be in the next registry? !!
     

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