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1967 Running Production Changes

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  1. Snakepit

    Snakepit Well-Known Member

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    Possibly on the AC cars ,,, but that would relate to that option rather than the Thermactor. Since Thermactor Mustangs (without AC) didn't get the clutch fan I see no reason (nor original cars) for them


    Don't have pictures of everyone I've seen (many before digital cameras) but I've seem my share and think at least one or two low mileage untouched ones are still around locally. Last time I saw one of them was before I was taking pictures (just hand notes) ... should call the owner up and get back with the car.
     
  2. Bob Gaines

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    Eric, I agree with what you said about the grills . The one piece grill when it was used was slanted and had the headlight bezels orientated for that mounting. When it was spit up the upper half had to still be slanted because the bezels were orientated in the same way . It wasn't until the third style was used and the the bezels were replaced with the flat rings did the upper grill get mount straight up and down. I hope that answers your question.
     
  3. rsimkins

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    A couple of questions before the list gets finalized/

    1. Standard Steel Wheels - would that be a Shelby or Ford Change? I'm thinking Ford because it was probably due to a supply issue.

    2. Battery hold downs - How many styles were there?

    Anything else? Thanks.
     
  4. ELJ1st500

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    Bob,

    Thanks for your response. As usual, you are a wealth of information about the '67s.

    Roy, based on my original post about the grills and Bob's concurrence with that information; it looks like there were four grills used on the '67s:

    1. One piece slanted (inboard headlights)
    2. Two piece - the upper piece slanted and the lower piece vertical (inboard headlights)
    3. Two piece - both the upper and lower pieces mounted vertically (inboard headlights)
    4. Two piece - both the upper and lower pieces mounted vertically (outboard headlights)

    Thanks for your time and for putting this project together.

    Best regards,
    Eric
     
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  5. roddster

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    Ahem....4 grills. The three listed above, then the outboard headlight grill.
     
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    Rod,

    I have updated my previous post.

    Eric
     
  7. Shelby6t7

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    Since we're on the subject of grills, not only did the styles change, from early to late, but don't forget to mention the mesh size change as well. The outboard light grills had a smaller mesh size than the inboards.

    Kenny
     
  8. rsimkins

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    Kenny,

    I think it is enough to just refer to the different styles. As part of this project, we could have a descriptive section that describes the differences in detail and maybe put some pictures up to show just what those differences were. When we are done, maybe Randall could allocate some permanent space to archive to information. What do you think, Randall?

    Here is the list so far:

    Shelby American Production Changes

    1. Headlights
    • Inboard
    • Outboard

    2. Body Assembly - Front
    • One-piece
    • Two-piece

    3. Grilles
    • One-piece, slanted, inboard headlights
    • Two-piece, slanted upper, straight lower, inboard headlights
    • Two-piece, straight, inboard headlights
    • Two-piece, straight, outboard headlights

    4. Headlight Trim Bezels
    • Body color
    • Chrome

    5. Headlight Buckets
    • “Early style” held with clamps
    • “Late style” bolted to plate

    6. Grille Emblem
    • Not installed
    • Installed

    7. Air Extractor (Upper Scoops) Lights
    • Not installed
    • Installed

    8. Brake Scoops
    • Functional (center duct)
    • Functional (lower duct)
    • Non-functional

    9. Tail Light Bezels
    • Studded
    • Through Hole

    10. Rear Tail Light Panel
    • Flat
    • Curved (or Raised)

    11. Gas Cap
    • Flat
    • Convex (Curved)

    12. Exhaust Trim
    • M/F Hi-Po Mustang
    • M/F Cougar
    • No trim

    13. Roll Bar
    • Six-point
    • Four-point

    14. Inner Quarter Panel Rollbar Rubber Trim (“Donuts”)
    • Not installed
    • Installed

    15. Roll Bar Cover
    • Removable
    • Molded

    16. Fold-down Seat Latch Trim Plates
    • Not installed
    • Installed

    17. Hoods
    • Steel frame
    • All fiberglass

    18. Deck Lids
    • Steel frame
    • All fiberglass

    19. Amp Meter Junction Block
    • Gray
    • Black

    20. Amp Meter Wiring
    • Spiral wrap
    • Vinyl tube
    • Tape

    21. Tail Light Wiring Harness Cover
    • Vinyl tube
    • Tape
    • Cloth braid

    22. Optional Wheels
    • KH MagStar
    • SAI 10-Spoke

    23. Sill Plate
    • 1966 Style
    • One Line Shelby American (Shelby American Inc.)
    • Two Line Shelby American (Shelby American Inc., Los Angeles California)

    24. Gauge Pod Center Plate
    • w/o mounting screws
    • w/ mounting screws

    25. SAI VIN
    • hand lettered
    • stamped w/o "Z"
    • stamped w/ "Z"


    G.T.350 Production Changes

    1. Intake Manifold
    • S2MS 9424-A
    • S7MS 9424-A


    G.T.500 Production Changes

    1. Air Cleaner
    • Non “COBRA” Lettered
    • “COBRA” lettered, black painted finish
    • “COBRA” lettered, natural finish


    Ford Production Changes

    1. Upholstery
    • Standard (Smooth)
    • Comfort Weave (Deluxe)

    2. Fuel Line
    • Routed along rocker panels
    • Down drive shaft tunnel

    3. Windshield Washer
    • Bag reservoir
    • Bottle reservoir

    4. Exhaust Tips
    • Two piece (welded)
    • One piece

    5. Oil Filler & Breather Caps
    • Black painted
    • "FoMoCo" stamped
    • "AUTOLITE" stamped

    6. Standard Steel Wheels
    • 15 X 6.5
    • 15 X 6

    7. Rear valence
    • Standard - no exhaust cut outs
    • GT – with exhaust cutouts

    8. Battery Hold Down
    • X
    • X

    Still looking for information on the different battery hold down styles and whether the steel wheel change should be a Shelby or Ford change. Thanks.
     
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  9. Shelby6t7

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    Roy:

    If you don't feel it's worthy of the list that's fine. The reason IMO it is worth mentioning, is because several years ago at a SAAC convention, I saw a reproduction outboard light grill being sold by a certain Shelby parts dealer which was constructed from the larger mesh of the inboard grill. No sooner did I see that, then I saw one actually installed on a car. So obviously someone had no clue that there was a mesh size difference between the 2 grills when it was being reproduced? :thumbdown

    Kenny
     
  10. Texas Swede

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    Roy,
    I will try my best to find the letter that specified the change from
    15x6.5" steel wheels to the 15x6". I believe it was presented in
    the Shelby American or The Marque many years ago.
    My Special Vehicle Order and Parts Specifications for DSO 84-2555
    says about wheels: Delete for customer supplied.
    To be deleted: 5 C7ZA-1007-C RPO Wheel Assy
    and then nuts, extension and cover assy. Nothing said about items to be installed. The same thing is said about tires. This is quite confusing to me
    as the car must have had wheels and tires to roll off the line, correct?
    The only possibility as I see it, is that Shelby must have supplied wheels
    and tires to San Jose for Ford to mount. Also have an original article with photos from Shelby in 1967 that shows a large stack of wheels and tires in front of many lined up cars that wasn't worked on yet. That may have been
    removed from cars that had dealer orders for the optional wheels.
    What do you think?
    /Texas Swede
     
  11. rsimkins

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    Kenny,

    As we move through the project, it gives us time to think about how we want to present the data. I think that a detail change that is directly tied in with a change in how the car is configured can be included in a detailed description of the part. That is why I'm proposing to set up some web pages with pictures to detail the differences between the various parts. I think that your idea to include the idea is good as it would help lots of folks distinguish between the good, the bad, and the ugly.
     
  12. Bob Gaines

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    I think the wheels and tires were installed on the Ford Line with rare exception.

    To add to Kenny's observation the lower grill is made to match the upper grill size. As Kenny pointed out the correct outboard grill had a smaller mesh size.In recent years I have seen many cars that had a correct outboard upper and a non matching mesh lower grill or no grill at all. Both grills were made to match each other and the cars had both upper and lower grills. The upper and lower grills with the correct mesh are being reproed so there is no excuse now.
     
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  13. Shelby6t7

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    Roy:

    I forgot to elaborate on the battery hold down issue your looking for. Basically, some cars came with an additional "Z" shaped bracket that was held in place by a screw on the top of the fender apron and was installed with the nut on the battery hold down "J" bolt on the apron side. It was a Ford thing that came and went on 67's.
    Jeff, do you have any photos of this?
     
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    Although these were Ford changes, but weren't the earlier 67's 289 Hipo's fitted with C5OE heads and later replaced with the C7ZE head? And what about the exhaust manifolds? C4ZE and C3OE exhaust manifolds were replaced by the C7ZE at some point. Did these changes occur during 67 production or before production started? Another question is whether a Fomoco or Autolite distributor is correct for a 67 289 Hipo? I believe the Fomoco is correct as I have seen Fomoco dual points with as late as 68 dates. Is it a misconception that the Autolite Dual point distributor is correct for a 67 289 Hipo?

    Roy,
    Another Ford item to put on your list should be the heater motor blower shield. I believe all GT 500's had them and some GT 350's. I believe this was discussed on this thread previously.
    Jon
     
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    Roy - One of the best topics in a long long time. Nicely done. Thanks for starting it!!!
     
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    As regards the battery hold down bracket, #1317 has that Z
    shaped special bracket. Please see photo of an NOS bracket
    I have.
    Texas Swede
     

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    Roy and group,
    This is a great thread. I glance at it once in a while to see what I missed. This topic has been kicked around before but not to this degree and with so many knowledgeable participants. I have a couple of things that might or might not want to consider.
    1)louvered hoods
    2)6 point roll bars with 2 legs cut off
    3)The early EFFPI steering wheels had short black tabs while the later cars had long black tabs
    4)The 2 different GT 500 air cleaners. I'm not referring to the non lettered or painted, but the earlier C5AF-C,AS had a solid base. The later C7ZF-J,M,K used a spider web base.
    5)2 different steering columns

    Dave
     
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    Yep but I'm at Scottsdale this weekend :evo: But it looks like someone else posted one... maybe I'll post one installed when I get home
     
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    Dave have you seen a six point roll bar with the back 2 legs cut off ?? I have!
     
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    Dave,

    Thanks for the kind words. I have to admit, I've learned a lot in the last couple of months myself. Way more things to consider than I had thought. Almost overwhelmingly.

    1) I didn't want to list the louvered hood until I knew if it was a production change or if it was used exclusively on big block air conditioning cars. Anyone know for sure?

    2) I have never seen or heard of this one. Do you have details or pictures? Were the cut-off legs the ones that went to the wheel houses? Was this an interim installation between the full six-point bar and the four-point bar?

    3) I'll add this to the Shelby list.

    4) I thought that die cast "spider web" part number was S7MS 9600-B. Can you elaborate?

    5) I'll add this to the Ford list. Can you explain the differences?

    Jon,

    I'll add that one to the Ford list.


    All,

    The list is getting too long to keep posting in the forum. I'll put it on my website this weekend so that everyone can see its evolution.
     

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