Shelby and SAAC at Odds

Zsa Zsa Gabor was once asked this question in an interview, she replied

“Da-ling, you always give the ring back, you just keep the stone”

 

I suspect SAAC won't have a problem turning over stuff that is rightfully Shelbys. As to the 'loan' or 'gift', 'verbal' or written contract issue, the point could be argued. I really don't think it's a big factor, more important is 'what stuff'?

Zsa Zsa, gotta love that!

 

Steve, I understand what your saying about what Shelby supposedly said and the contract agreement.

I just don't believe for one second that it went down that way.

Dan

 

I don't believe it 'went down that way' either!

Thats why the matter may have to be settled in court, someone aint got the facts straight.

 

If it was an engagement ring and she broke it off, it must be returned because there was a mutual expectation that marriage would follow and therefore the ring is not her property until the mutual expectation (contract) is met. ;-)

If it was just an outright gift, then yes, a gift is a gift and it's hers to keep.

Now if they signed a contract after they discussed it, the terms of the contract would prevail since it would be defacto evidence of a superceeding agreement. A discussion prior to a contact can't nullify the subsequent contract -- it's futile to intentionally make a covenant intended to nullify a future covenant you plan to enter into (and may be construed as a criminal act in some cases). The most recent covenant will always take precedence for the simple reason that it, defacto, it reflects the most current intentions of the parties. At least that's my understanding.

For example, you can be prosecuted for entering into a contract with someone which stipulates that if they enter into another contract with you on the same subject that latter contract will be impotent. Ask any lawyer. If you could do that, no contract would ever be valid since a nullifying earlier contract could exist. It can't. The terms of the latter contract will prevail over the earlier contract to the extent they overlap, and to the extent they don't the latter will prevail also.

But the notion of "sign this and I won't ever hold you to it" is laughable. Why sign it at all? ...unless it gives you something you did not previously have (a license, whatever). But if that contract is not complied with, then the license was never valid, but the contract's very existence can't be cosmically made to disappear. It's terms succeeded the earlier agreement (regardless of alleged words to the contrary) and, when defaulted on, the penalties flow from from the contract (it doesn't self-destruct, like on Mission Impossible and revert to the prior agreement). If the second contract itself was invalid for some strange reason, that's a different sotry. Don't confuse the two.

Dan

 

Why now? Because of the 05 Mustang. It breathed new life into Shelby and his ventures. Brought about the idea for Team Shelby born in a big corporate environment. Shelby's getting tired of SAAC anyway and that Registry sure would help Team Shelby jump light years ahead. Launch the torpedoes... First one to hit takes out SAAC licensing. Second one will prevent them from using any terms such as Cobra, GT350, Gt500, etc... in ANY merchandise(including books). SAAC starts to sink. Torpedo 3 attempts to take away their intellectual property and copyrights because they were created "Illegally". SAAC starts to slide under the waves as 68Fastback pops a cork in celebration.

Question: What will Team Shelby look like in 5 years? how about 10 years...

 

LOL....sorry, I just have to laugh every time I see that question. I wander how many people asked that same question when SAAC was first formed. Only time will tell, but with all the Shelby Fans on this planet, I would bet it will be going strong.
David.

 

Re: The engagement ring; I know of only one instance where the woman who broke the engagement off gave the ring back.

 

What is the average length of a Carroll Shelby venture?

 

I believe Team Shelby will go on even if Carroll changes direction. It is run by enthusiast not a corporation. Robert Lane and Sharon Elliot started the S197 Shelby owners club long before Shelby got involved and converted it to Team Shelby. I have met them and they are dedicated to Shelby's.

 

That all depends on how you look at things. He has been in the Automotive Customizing Business most of his life. I have been to. I have owned well over 175 Vehicles and only about 3 of them has stayed stock and that was because I sold them within days of buying them and didn't have a chance to modify them. If you want to choose just one thing out of the Hundreds that CS has been involved with, then it is hard to say, not to mention it doesn't matter because it all ties together.

Just Hypo-Thinking here......... What if......Just what if...... something happened to the ones in charge of SAAC.........Is there anyone in training to keep it going? Is there a "WILL" in place that will give someone the Power and the Property of SAAC? Who would step in and take over? Would they be able to keep it to the same high standards? SAAC is so protected NOW, who else has the Keys to keep it going? Just questions to think about.
David.

 

They are in the web forum business. Now, they are being paid to run the TS site and activities. Absolutely nothing wrong with that...but it, too, is a business.

 

O. K. Team Shelby and SAAC are both for profit businesses. I am just saying these guys are enthusiast just like the founders of SAAC are. Who wouldn't like to do a job they are passionate about? They just started out focused on the late model Shelby's.

 

No taking away from the fact that they did a great job building the S197ShelbyOA forum. ...got twice as many members than the factory Forum did.

They also have been involved in maybe a dozen other sites, both Ford and GM focused. This one was the brass ring. Good for them.

 

I agree.

 

Hey Guys,
Just a reminder to keep it clean here.
Carry on......
Best Regards,
Vern

PS-dave..pm me and let me know if you got my email

 

Run by enthusiast...yes, controlled and financed by who? Hope they cross the "t"s and dotted the "i"s on their contract.
Just appears to me SAAC has the registry and a large member/customer base, Team Shelby wants/needs control of that base and the registry.

What if CS try to buy SAAC, but the price was to high .

 

I think most of the alert people reading the thread understood it the first time you said it.

You are seriously repeating yourself over and over.

You've got to help move this discussion forward and bring something new to the table. :blush: