Here goes the old guy with some more history. When I started vintage racing in 1982, you would find big and small block Cobras mixing it up with Shelbys and Tigers. One grid in particular took me back to 1966 when I was an SCCA corner worker and autocrosser with dream of owning a racing Shelby. It was all very period correct. When I quit vintage racing 12 years ago the Cobras had disappeared due to their increasing value. Last weekend I crewed on a vintage Shelby and discovered of the 5 Shelbys running, all were replicas or clones. The same trend is happening on the street. See a Cobra, it is probably a kit. See a Shelby, it is probably a clone. Is this bad? Well, as Tick would say about his 65 Shelby, its like sliding around a sheet of plylwood with no brakes. The old cars are cool looking, I have a shop full, but the new ones drive so much better. Rather than take a real Shelby and restomod it, build a visual replica with newer running gear. Makes sense to me, best of both worlds. Now take a car built for a movie, pass it off as a restomod Shelby, give it a pedigree from the man and call it a continuation car to sell for big bucks. I have issues with this, but I am not the one making the big bucks. Who do you blame, Shelby for authenticating it or the money men willing to pay for the car? A 67 or 68 Shelby is the most beautiful body a Mustang has ever had. Take a fastback or convertible, add some Shelby parts, install late model running gear and enjoy a great daily driver with a lot of class. Call is a Shelby? No. It is a customized Mustang or street rod depending on your insurance company. Real Shelbys should be driven and enjoyed, we have an obligation to share this history with people younger than the cars. For commuting or trips, give me a new Mustang. I just felt like opinionating, now it's time to go to riding. I'm driving my concours 65 GT convertible to Huntsville for the MCA National tomorrow. Gotta run to town now, gonna take the 01 GT. SEE YA Lee Mathias
Lee, just spent my lunch hour at the Huntsville Show. Already over 200 cars there and it's just set-up day! At 12:47 PM 5/13/05, lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote: >Here goes the old guy with some more history. When I started vintage >racing in 1982, you would find big and small block Cobras mixing it up >with Shelbys and Tigers. One grid in particular took me back to 1966 when >I was an SCCA corner worker and autocrosser with dream of owning a racing >Shelby. It was all very period correct. When I quit vintage racing 12 >years ago the Cobras had disappeared due to their increasing value. Last >weekend I crewed on a vintage Shelby and discovered of the 5 Shelbys >running, all were replicas or clones. The same trend is happening on the >street. See a Cobra, it is probably a kit. See a Shelby, it is probably >a clone. Is this bad? Well, as Tick would say about his 65 Shelby, its >like sliding around a sheet of plylwood with no brakes. The old cars are >cool looking, I have a shop full, but the new ones drive so much >better. Rather than take a real Shelby and restomod it, build a visual >replica with newer running gear. Makes sense to me, best of both >worlds. Now take a car built for a movie, pass it off as a restomod >Shelby, give it a pedigree from the man and call it a continuation car to >sell for big bucks. I have issues with this, but I am not the one making >the big bucks. Who do you blame, Shelby for authenticating it or the >money men willing to pay for the car? A 67 or 68 Shelby is the most >beautiful body a Mustang has ever had. Take a fastback or convertible, >add some Shelby parts, install late model running gear and enjoy a great >daily driver with a lot of class. Call is a Shelby? No. It is a >customized Mustang or street rod depending on your insurance >company. Real Shelbys should be driven and enjoyed, we have an obligation >to share this history with people younger than the cars. For commuting or >trips, give me a new Mustang. I just felt like opinionating, now it's >time to go to riding. I'm driving my concours 65 GT convertible to >Huntsville for the MCA National tomorrow. Gotta run to town now, gonna >take the 01 GT. SEE YA >Lee Mathias > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05
On Fri, 13 May 2005 lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote: > Here goes the old guy with some more history. When I started vintage >racing in 1982, you would find big and small block Cobras mixing it up >with Shelbys and Tigers. One grid in particular took me back to 1966 >when I was an SCCA corner worker and autocrosser with dream of owning a >racing Shelby. It was all very period correct. When I quit vintage >racing 12 years ago the Cobras had disappeared due to their increasing >value. Last weekend I crewed on a vintage Shelby and discovered of the 5 >Shelbys running, all were replicas or clones. The same trend is >happening on the street. See a Cobra, it is probably a kit. See a >Shelby, it is probably a clone. Is this bad? Well, as Tick would say >about his 65 Shelby, its like sliding around a sheet of plylwood with no >brakes. The old cars are cool looking, I have a shop full, but the new >ones drive so much better. Rather than take a real Shelby and restomod >it, build a visual replica with newer running gear. Makes sense to me, >best of both worlds. Now take a car built for a movie, pass it off as a >restomod Shelby, give it a pedigree from the man and call it a >continuation car to sell for big bucks. I have issues with this, but I >am not the one making the big bucks. Who do you blame, Shelby for >authenticating it or the money men willing to pay for the car? A 67 or >68 Shelby is the most beautiful body a Mustang has ever had. Take a >fastback or convertible, add some Shelby parts, install late model >running gear and enjoy a great daily driver with a lot of class. Call is >a Shelby? No. It is a customized Mustang or street rod depending on >your insurance company. Real Shelbys should be driven and enjoyed, we >have an obligation to share this history with people younger than the >cars. For commuting or trips, give me a new Mustang. I just felt like >opinionating, now it's time to go to riding. I'm driving my concours 65 >GT convertible to Huntsville for the MCA National tomorrow. Gotta run to >town now, gonna take the 01 GT. SEE YA > Lee Mathias You know, at that time Lee mantions, I remember all the people involved in vintage racing saying they didn't know what the future for vintage racing would be. They all seemed to say it was not going to stay like it was, where we were seeing many original R Models racing against a couple of the Grand Sport Corvettes (one with a Carroll Shelby Motors License Plate), and occasionally the LeMans winning GT40's would be seen in a vintage race, Dale Sale was racing his original Bud Moore Boss 302 and Roberts was racing his National Champ 289 Cobra. It was a great time and fantastic to see these cars on the track looking like the old days in SCCA. The same was said of other vintage race cars and classes at the time. The Shelby people were not the only ones. Today most of the vintage race cars are clones, not just Shelbys. The Sprites are usually street cars that building them into a race car was less expensive than restoring to original. I guess we have gotten our answers as to where it was going. Vintage racing itself is sort of a "clone" of racing, not restored racing of the day. I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing, and I am glad I was around to see the vintage racing of that time. I also am vary glad I went to several of the events I went to at those time. To those of us that appreciate the racing heritage of these cars (as opposed to maybe the cruzing heritage) I think the time has passed and it is something we will never see again. I am not knocking the people who appreciate the cruzing heritage, it was just the best term I could come up with at the time. I love these cars, and maybe I love them for what they were, not so much what they are now. Calvin http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767
Mike and all: I spent the whole weekend at Huntsville - rain and all! Caused the judges to go to plan B because the skies just opened up. About 380 cars there. The space museum and the IMAX presentation of the beginnings of NASCAR was awesome. Good show that needed some tweaks to make it perfect, but a well worthwhile drive - over 800 miles each way. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Greene" <mgreene@hiwaay.net> To: <lmathias@bellsouth.net>; <ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: clones and restomods > Lee, just spent my lunch hour at the Huntsville Show. Already over 200 > cars there and it's just set-up day! > > > At 12:47 PM 5/13/05, lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote: > >>Here goes the old guy with some more history. When I started vintage >>racing in 1982, you would find big and small block Cobras mixing it up >>with Shelbys and Tigers. One grid in particular took me back to 1966 when >>I was an SCCA corner worker and autocrosser with dream of owning a racing >>Shelby. It was all very period correct. When I quit vintage racing 12 >>years ago the Cobras had disappeared due to their increasing value. Last >>weekend I crewed on a vintage Shelby and discovered of the 5 Shelbys >>running, all were replicas or clones. The same trend is happening on the >>street. See a Cobra, it is probably a kit. See a Shelby, it is probably >>a clone. Is this bad? Well, as Tick would say about his 65 Shelby, its >>like sliding around a sheet of plylwood with no brakes. The old cars are >>cool looking, I have a shop full, but the new ones drive so much better. >>Rather than take a real Shelby and restomod it, build a visual replica >>with newer running gear. Makes sense to me, best of both worlds. Now >>take a car built for a movie, pass it off as a restomod Shelby, give it a >>pedigree from the man and call it a continuation car to sell for big >>bucks. I have issues with this, but I am not the one making the big >>bucks. Who do you blame, Shelby for authenticating it or the money men >>willing to pay for the car? A 67 or 68 Shelby is the most beautiful body >>a Mustang has ever had. Take a fastback or convertible, add some Shelby >>parts, install late model running gear and enjoy a great daily driver with >>a lot of class. Call is a Shelby? No. It is a customized Mustang or >>street rod depending on your insurance company. Real Shelbys should be >>driven and enjoyed, we have an obligation to share this history with >>people younger than the cars. For commuting or trips, give me a new >>Mustang. I just felt like opinionating, now it's time to go to riding. >>I'm driving my concours 65 GT convertible to Huntsville for the MCA >>National tomorrow. Gotta run to town now, gonna take the 01 GT. SEE YA >>Lee Mathias >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05 > > Mike Greene > TENA Website Curator > Trideum Corporation > 256.704.6113 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05 > >
Yeah, the rain on Saturday was a bummer - probably some very upset concours owners! I'm in the club and would welcome any comment/suggestions/complaints about the show! Quoting Ronald Robertson <ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca>: > Mike and all: > I spent the whole weekend at Huntsville - rain and all! Caused the > judges to > go to plan B because the skies just opened up. > About 380 cars there. > The space museum and the IMAX presentation of the beginnings of NASCAR > was > awesome. > Good show that needed some tweaks to make it perfect, but a well > worthwhile > drive - over 800 miles each way. > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Greene" <mgreene@hiwaay.net> > To: <lmathias@bellsouth.net>; <ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: clones and restomods > > > > Lee, just spent my lunch hour at the Huntsville Show. Already over 200 > > > cars there and it's just set-up day! > > > > > > At 12:47 PM 5/13/05, lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > >>Here goes the old guy with some more history. When I started vintage > > >>racing in 1982, you would find big and small block Cobras mixing it up > > >>with Shelbys and Tigers. One grid in particular took me back to 1966 > when > >>I was an SCCA corner worker and autocrosser with dream of owning a > racing > >>Shelby. It was all very period correct. When I quit vintage racing > 12 > >>years ago the Cobras had disappeared due to their increasing value. > Last > >>weekend I crewed on a vintage Shelby and discovered of the 5 Shelbys > >>running, all were replicas or clones. The same trend is happening on > the > >>street. See a Cobra, it is probably a kit. See a Shelby, it is > probably > >>a clone. Is this bad? Well, as Tick would say about his 65 Shelby, > its > >>like sliding around a sheet of plylwood with no brakes. The old cars > are > >>cool looking, I have a shop full, but the new ones drive so much > better. > >>Rather than take a real Shelby and restomod it, build a visual replica > > >>with newer running gear. Makes sense to me, best of both worlds. Now > > >>take a car built for a movie, pass it off as a restomod Shelby, give > it a > >>pedigree from the man and call it a continuation car to sell for big > >>bucks. I have issues with this, but I am not the one making the big > >>bucks. Who do you blame, Shelby for authenticating it or the money > men > >>willing to pay for the car? A 67 or 68 Shelby is the most beautiful > body > >>a Mustang has ever had. Take a fastback or convertible, add some > Shelby > >>parts, install late model running gear and enjoy a great daily driver > with > >>a lot of class. Call is a Shelby? No. It is a customized Mustang or > > >>street rod depending on your insurance company. Real Shelbys should > be > >>driven and enjoyed, we have an obligation to share this history with > >>people younger than the cars. For commuting or trips, give me a new > >>Mustang. I just felt like opinionating, now it's time to go to > riding. > >>I'm driving my concours 65 GT convertible to Huntsville for the MCA > >>National tomorrow. Gotta run to town now, gonna take the 01 GT. SEE > YA > >>Lee Mathias > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05 > > > > Mike Greene > > TENA Website Curator > > Trideum Corporation > > 256.704.6113 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/05 > > > > > > >
Burnouts & Shelby's If you have a high speed connection and you like a good burnout you've got to check this out. Turn your speakers up. This is the car I patterned mine after. Awesome burnout! http://www.musclecarcalendar.com/FeatureCarsHome/JaysGT500/Jays1967ShelbyGT500Burnout.htm
