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1967 Shelby Master Assembly Bookl

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by patty.dilabio, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. patty.dilabio

    patty.dilabio Well-Known Member

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    Hi to everyone that is in to this hobbie! Just would like to know if anyone has one of these books and if they noticed the same thing I have.The blueprints are all dated and these dates are quite late in the production window eg. almost all are June 13 1967 and were done by C.R.Runyon.Could 1 person do that many blueprints in a day? The last page shows a steel framed hood and is dated 11/17/66 .It has J.Benavides as the draftsman and an engineer listed as RH Erickson,and also shows it to be for a G.T.500 and is detailed enough to show the necessary oval cutout,and shows an approval date of 11/21/66.All this to say..is this book accurate?Should we ask if any other original blueprints exist,and would we be able to see another strange date pattern? It also makes references like A/C and shows a louvered hood and shows a/c with outboard headlamps.Please feel free to comment! thanks for your time!:)
     
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    Patty,

    Some general comments on the oddities in this book from an engineering perspective:

    1) The lettering in the title blocks appear to be recreations done on a computer. The lettering is just too good. Even if the letters were drawn with a “Leroy” ink set, there should be some variation from letter to letter. The is no variation between letters.

    2) One person could produce that many drawings in a day if that was the day he finished them. Just because the drawings all have the same date doesn't mean that they were all started and finished on the same day. The draftsman could have and probably did start them many days ahead of the date listed in the title block.

    3) Most drawings have missing parts lists. I say this since the drawings have “find numbers” or “balloons” directing the reader to numbered items on the list. An installation drawing without its parts list is only half a drawing.

    4) The parts lists for those drawings that do have them look to be recreations. Since the drawings were done in the pre-CAD era, I'd expect them to be hand lettered or inked. The supplied lists look like they were produced with a word processor.

    I believe that the drawings themselves are accurate. However, since we are not looking at actual copies of the originals, it is difficult to say with any certainty that the information in the title block is accurate. I'd really need to see the complete original set of drawings for these cars to pass judgment on the overall accuracy of what we see in the book. So yes, we should check and see what else is out there. I'll check a couple of sources.
     
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    Roy: Thanks for your response.I figured that this must be a recreation of somekind,and your comments also make it even more so.These should fall into the catagory of an illustration only,and let us hope we can find better real info.Happy hunting:)
    On a different note...while listening to a former employee of S.A.I. that was on the production line in '66 & '67 tell us about the way they did accomplish things,It was more like cut and hack...make it function first,then figure out how to blend the process into a production.His comments about fiberglass that was still green,(removed from the mold too soon)and how it was a 5 man operation to install a '67 nose panel-2 on each side holding it in place,while 1 tightened all the fasteners,then he said they started riveting them in place because they thought the bolts were going to pop!He is correct in that later cars usually have 4 large pop rivets holding the lower edge of the lower grille opening to the crossmember under the radiator.He also mentioned not being very proud of how the cut out was done for the '66 plexiglass windows,he said it was a good thing for the wide inner trim which hid everything.They were doing things as fast as possible and working lots of overtime,never thinking it was all going to be so historic in the future! "The fun we had in the plant made up for the hard work,and long hours".(We have heard this from several people now,and we know they were all in the same situation) so much for the engineering standard that many of us must follow. P.D.
     
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    My take on the assembly manual is that is kind of useful, and at the same time kind of not. And, I did notice the dates on the sheets. Must be helpful for the late assembly cars.
    I used to build subway cars for Pullman-Standard. The first cars where sort of hand built. Being an electrician, they had an idea where they wanted certain equipment. After you installed it , some engineer/draftsman would come out, look, measure, and then draw up how the rest of the order would be. I figure the S/A plant was likely the same way.
     
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    The book is a collection of actual blueprints that many people (including myself) have. Not all the available blueprints are in the book. Attached to some of my copies are the lists of parts that are hinted at in the book. My take is that these drawings were requested by Ford or Shelby as they were preparing to close up shop and move to Michigan. There are some interesting anomalies in them and some mistakes. Seems that the draftsman was not particularly familiar with all the details of assembly.
     
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    Is there any chance I could get copies of what you have (I'll reimburse you)? I've been collecting factory part number information for over 20 years. The '67 parts are the least documented and what you have could fill in some of the gaps. Feel free to PM me if you'd like. Thanks.
     

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