hello from mich - 1967 GT350

I knew it was something like that it. It has been many years since we last spoke if you were the owner when I had the conversation about 0005. I am sure glad to hear the original tag is with the car. It would have been a shame if it had gotten lost on the side of the road during the transport accident and replaced with a repro tag. I hope the car has been reassembled? If not their are many here that will be glad to give info assistance if needed. Bob

 

Hello,

All this talk about car number 0005 brings back memories of finding that car on a used car lot in Wheat Ridge, Colorado back around 1982 if I remember right. It had a 390 engine and a C-6 automatic transmission in it at that time. I think it had the Cougar taillight frames/grills on it also. My friend Mike Cox ended up buying the car. He was the one that had the "transport incident" with the car in 1989.

Thanks,
Eric

 

I remember hearing about the icy mountain Colorado pass or something. Bob

 

Hello Bob,

Actually, it involved a Toyota 4-Runner towing the Shelby on a car dolly in a Utah canyon in the middle of the night when a deer decided to run out on the road in front of them. The deer did not survive and both vehicles were rolled several times. Fortunately, Mike and another friend of his were relatively unhurt. I have pictures of 0005 after the accident sitting in Mike's garage in California. Not a pretty sight to say the least.

Thanks,
Eric

 

Are you sure that was 0005?, because not much of that makes sense. The previous owner to me was not Mike Cox, but a fellow Shelby Club member Fred M. (Fred is listed in the registry as the po). Fred made it clear to me that it was he that had the accident while towing 0005 behind his Ford Ranger... (Why do people try to tow with small trucks?!!!) What color was the 0005 in your pictures? The color was odd enough to verify if we are talking about the same car.

 

Hello,

Fred M. bought the car from my friend Mike Cox. The car was an unusual blue, almost a blue-green color, not a stock '67 Shelby color. That car actually sat in my parent's backyard for a number of months after Mike bought it. So, I saw it everyday for quite a while.

Mike had accepted a job out in the San Francisco area. He and a friend of his from California came back to Colorado to tow 0005 out to California. As I previously stated, they encountered a deer in the middle of the night and both the tow vehicle and 0005 rolled a number of times. Mike ended up getting a freight company to haul the wrecked 0005 the rest of the way to San Francisco. The car sat in his garage while he tried to make up his mind about what to do with it. I am not sure how the Fred M. transaction came about, but he ended up buying the wrecked 0005 from Mike. Sounds to me like Fred M. was a little less than completely honest with you......

Thanks,
Eric

 

That sounds about right... I don't think it was a fact of Fred being dishonest as it was me asking the right questions. The car was a teal blue color and sitting on steel wheels with studded snow tires when I got it. I would love to see the pics you have to compare with what I ended up with... If they are not in digital format, I would pay for copies. You can email me at gpgarneau at comcast dot net. Thanks!

 

I appreciate the help, your knowledge (& others) from this board and from the SAAC site has been a great help. Luckily I located a correct engine & tranny back 15 years ago when things were a little cheaper and easier to come by... I bought the engine from a guy who was parting out a very rusty 67 GT350 back in the early 90's, that was when it was almost "ok" to do that sort of thing . I also since then have bought the correct steering wheel to make the package complete. The car has been a labor of love, and me being a nut for 67's, I do not plan to ever part with it.

 

Hello,

Not to be rude, but would you mind telling me your name? I would just like to know who I am dealing with. I will have to find the pictures I have of 0005 after the wreck. I believe there are only 2-4 pictures and they are printed on regular printer paper. After I find them I will have to scan them into my computer. After the holiday weekend is over, I will e-mail them to you sometime next week.

Thanks,
Eric

 

My name is Greg Garneau. I am a SAAC member and I have been with the Nor-Cal Shelby's club since the late 80's. The registrar's have my info on my two current Shelby's. I also used to own 6s577, which is one of the 4sd Hertz cars.

 

Hello Greg,

Thanks for that information. I should be able to get the pictures scanned and e-mailed to you next week.

Thanks,
Eric

 

Hi again to 0003,
To answer question 1 The vin plate was stamped in most cases.A hand lettered plate is very rare,(as is an engineering plate.)The best contact for this is the SAAC registrar for all 1967 Shelbys.Mr Dave Mathews.
For question # 2 if you remove the carpet covered rear panel behind the back seat,it will usually have a good original sample of paint color,from Ford.You should also have a Marti report done on this car..great source of documenting cool stuff,like this.
Best wishes for a Great 2010!
P.D.

 

The SAAC registrar is where I received the info about the car. I don't know what color the car was painted from the original Dark Moss Green for sure but assume white as it presently is since you indicate nothing has changed since you purchased it in the 70's. A knowledgeable enthusiast should have very little trouble confirming if any other repaints were done before the white since repaints back in the day did not usually take the time we do today on a classic car. I would be surprised if # 0003 was identified on the SA tag any other way but stamped since all of the other cars around it's sequential number had their VIN tag metal stamped. How is the VIN tag done on the car now? Bob

 

I would enjoy the car as it is. It would be a major undertaking to put the car back the way it left SA and I don't think based on your comments you would get much more satisfaction and pride of ownership then you already have IMHO. FYI ,the first big batch of cars down the SA line were Dark Moss Green. Based on the evidence Dark Moss Green is definitely the original color on 0003. The next large batch were Wimbledon white. I believe the info given by your friend and past owner was speculation base on the items that were installed on the car by the original first owner and not based on any historical facts. If I were to guess- a front end collision is a much more likely reason for extensive front end modifications as early 67 Shelby parts were not serviced long before the later parts were substituted. Based on how quickly the car was sold to the public after completion it would be extremely unlikely it was part of any 68 styling exercise. There were other cars that SAAC has records of that where specifically ordered and recorded as used for 68 Shelby prototype work and 68 press photos. Those cars were kept around for a significant amount of time ,worked on,modified,photographed and evaluated. This is not a short term scenario and is contrary to the sales history of 0003 disregarding the fact that there is no SA documentation like there is for the other 68 prototype cars. The current SAAC information data base is very in depth and extensive based on access to SA and Ford archival information as well as past owner information . It would be unlikely that a past owner or random Ford enthusiast ( Mike Reminschnider sorry don't know him) could come up with factory documentation that SAAC doesn't already have. Bob

 

Mike Riemenschneider is well known, here in Michigan, member of SAAC-MCR. He's been around there forever. I know he had held positions within SAAC-MCR which is one of the oldest regional SAAC clubs.

 

Sorry sounds like I need to make it a point to get to know him. I have only been Judging in SAAC concours for 15 -16 years or so at the national level. Others have been there longer. I judge all years Shelby's in concours so I am surprised I haven't run into him in that capacity. If he had judged concours before then I am unaware. I don't recall the name from the roaster of any concours judges at SAAC during my time judging but I could be wrong.Bob

 

Sorry Bob, I never said he was a concours judge. However, that does not exclude him from having a lot of Shelby knowledge.

 

No you didn't but gj67 said he was in a earlier post - "I had contacted Ford, then turned me on to a fellow Mike Reminschnider [sp]
He was a fellow Shelby owner/enthusiast, member of the shelby club, judge, and worked for ford. " . - I was just going by gj67 posted statement and not my intention to exclude anyone from anything. Bob