SAAC has been very clear that they dont like car shows. The car show people have always been shoved aside for the race car group. I have donated the car show trophies the last few years trying to keep the concours going. If you get right down to it, the car show guys are trying to keep their cars the way they were when new thus keeping the Marque preserved. I tried to do that with my Cobra and still race it once in awhile but now they want all this modern stuff for safety so i quit racing it >From: "NVSAAC" <info@nvsaac.com> >To: <ShelbyMustang@CarMemories.com> >Subject: Re: SAAC 32 >Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:56:45 -0700 > >Ron, > >I did see Charley Lillard's - 1965 GT350 # 76 - that did get a Gold award. >Congrads to Jim Cowles for the restoration work on the car. > >It was out there at the popular vote on Sunday morning as well. > >So that is at least 2 concourse cars out there... > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ronald Robertson" <ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca> >To: "Calvin Sanders" <calvins@highrpm.net>; "Shelby Mustang" ><shelbymustang@carmemories.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:05 AM >Subject: Re: SAAC 32 > > > > Calvin: > > Good comments about the scarcity of Shelbys on the track. But if >eventually > > SAAC events have no Shelbys on the track, where does that leave the SAAC > > conventions, which are really a celebration for the "drive fast, turn >left" > > group? The concours show is not a self sustaining event and the last >popular > > vote show at Michigan saw about 12-15 brave souls who weathered the rain > > show up. Ours was the only concours car, despite the "request" that ALL > > concours cars MUST appear so that participants and spectators to the >popular > > vote show could see them. > > I understand California was different. Could that mean the death knoll >for > > SAAC conventions in the East? > > Should be an interesting future if the trend continues. > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Calvin Sanders" <calvins@highrpm.net> > > To: "Shelby Mustang" <shelbymustang@carmemories.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: SAAC 32 > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Ronald Robertson wrote: > > > > > >> The thread on where SAAC 32 should be has been very interesting. But >if > > >> anyone thinks they can influence Rick on where this will be held, >they > > >> should change their drinking water. In summarizing the comments so >far, > > >> it appears there are a variety of reasons why some tracks work and >others > > >> do not. > > > [......] > > >> 3. The lack of a host hotel near the track appears to be a smoke >screen, > > >> a non issue. Witness Lime Rock, Michigan, Nashville. All hotels were > > >> between 1 and 2 hour's drive from the track. > > > > > > I think SAAC 7 was the first one where the hotel was a distance from >the > > > Hotel. That was also the first east coast event with an open track. We >ran > > > at Pocono and the hotel was in Great Gorge, New Jersey. > > > > > >> 4. Something no one has mentioned is the population of Shelby owners >in > > >> the reasonable vicinity of the convention. Some areas of the Country >just > > >> do not have enough Shelbys to make it worthwhile to have a convention > > >> near them. > > > > > > Kopec occasionally has a "Regional Rep Rountable" at the SAAC's. At >one >of > > > the early ones he discussed how they chose convention sites. He said >the > > > first thing they looked at was a map of members. Where they had high > > > densities of memebers, and especially active members, you know the >ones > > > that were willing to do much of the work; those were possible >convention > > > sites. At a later convention Rep meeting he said that had become less > > > important since most of the poeple comming to conventions were flying, > > > leaving their cars home. > > > > > >> 5. I wonder as the value of Shelbys goes up, if the desire to drive >them > > >> long distances will diminsh for fear of accidents, breakdowns etc. >and > > >> not everyone wants or is able to trailer their prize across Country. > > > > > > It has had a huge effect at the open track part of the event. Fewer > > > vintage Shelbys out on the track, etc. and more late model Mustangs, >etc. > > > That is just how it is going to be. That is ok, in fact I think it is > > > helathy, as long as we have some Shleby owners still out on the track. > > > > > > Calvin > > > http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
It would seem that SAAC and MCA could work together as they did at the 40th to get the best of both worlds. SAAC can obviously run an open track event and MCA has the talent to organize and judge a car show. Personally it has been obvious that SAAC is about open track and that alone. It used to be better balanced with street cars passing tech to run at speed but from the looks of the roster at SAAC 30, it takes a full out team approach to participate at a SAAC open track event. I regret that is the direction that has been taken since I personally appreciate all the cars from SA, even the race cars at rest. Right now my renewals for SAAC are done out of respect for the marque and not out of a lot of enthusiasm for the club. I find that MCA is much more balanced. Again, the SAAC/MCA co-host idea might keep the faithful from straying.. m ----- Original Message ----- From: "James G Cowles" <shelbyparts@msn.com> To: <info@nvsaac.com>; <ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: SAAC 32 > SAAC has been very clear that they dont like car shows. The car show > people have always been shoved aside for the race car group. I have > donated the car show trophies the last few years trying to keep the > concours going. If you get right down to it, the car show guys are trying > to keep their cars the way they were when new thus keeping the Marque > preserved. I tried to do that with my Cobra and still race it once in > awhile but now they want all this modern stuff for safety so i quit > racing it > >>From: "NVSAAC" <info@nvsaac.com> >>To: <ShelbyMustang@CarMemories.com> >>Subject: Re: SAAC 32 >>Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:56:45 -0700 >> >>Ron, >> >>I did see Charley Lillard's - 1965 GT350 # 76 - that did get a Gold award. >>Congrads to Jim Cowles for the restoration work on the car. >> >>It was out there at the popular vote on Sunday morning as well. >> >>So that is at least 2 concourse cars out there... >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ronald Robertson" <ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca> >>To: "Calvin Sanders" <calvins@highrpm.net>; "Shelby Mustang" >><shelbymustang@carmemories.com> >>Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:05 AM >>Subject: Re: SAAC 32 >> >> >> > Calvin: >> > Good comments about the scarcity of Shelbys on the track. But if >>eventually >> > SAAC events have no Shelbys on the track, where does that leave the >> > SAAC >> > conventions, which are really a celebration for the "drive fast, turn >>left" >> > group? The concours show is not a self sustaining event and the last >>popular >> > vote show at Michigan saw about 12-15 brave souls who weathered the >> > rain >> > show up. Ours was the only concours car, despite the "request" that ALL >> > concours cars MUST appear so that participants and spectators to the >>popular >> > vote show could see them. >> > I understand California was different. Could that mean the death knoll >>for >> > SAAC conventions in the East? >> > Should be an interesting future if the trend continues. >> > Ron >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Calvin Sanders" <calvins@highrpm.net> >> > To: "Shelby Mustang" <shelbymustang@carmemories.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:39 AM >> > Subject: Re: SAAC 32 >> > >> > >> > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Ronald Robertson wrote: >> > > >> > >> The thread on where SAAC 32 should be has been very interesting. But >>if >> > >> anyone thinks they can influence Rick on where this will be held, >>they >> > >> should change their drinking water. In summarizing the comments so >>far, >> > >> it appears there are a variety of reasons why some tracks work and >>others >> > >> do not. >> > > [......] >> > >> 3. The lack of a host hotel near the track appears to be a smoke >>screen, >> > >> a non issue. Witness Lime Rock, Michigan, Nashville. All hotels were >> > >> between 1 and 2 hour's drive from the track. >> > > >> > > I think SAAC 7 was the first one where the hotel was a distance from >>the >> > > Hotel. That was also the first east coast event with an open track. >> > > We >>ran >> > > at Pocono and the hotel was in Great Gorge, New Jersey. >> > > >> > >> 4. Something no one has mentioned is the population of Shelby owners >>in >> > >> the reasonable vicinity of the convention. Some areas of the Country >>just >> > >> do not have enough Shelbys to make it worthwhile to have a >> > >> convention >> > >> near them. >> > > >> > > Kopec occasionally has a "Regional Rep Rountable" at the SAAC's. At >>one >>of >> > > the early ones he discussed how they chose convention sites. He said >>the >> > > first thing they looked at was a map of members. Where they had high >> > > densities of memebers, and especially active members, you know the >>ones >> > > that were willing to do much of the work; those were possible >>convention >> > > sites. At a later convention Rep meeting he said that had become less >> > > important since most of the poeple comming to conventions were >> > > flying, >> > > leaving their cars home. >> > > >> > >> 5. I wonder as the value of Shelbys goes up, if the desire to drive >>them >> > >> long distances will diminsh for fear of accidents, breakdowns etc. >>and >> > >> not everyone wants or is able to trailer their prize across Country. >> > > >> > > It has had a huge effect at the open track part of the event. Fewer >> > > vintage Shelbys out on the track, etc. and more late model Mustangs, >>etc. >> > > That is just how it is going to be. That is ok, in fact I think it is >> > > helathy, as long as we have some Shleby owners still out on the >> > > track. >> > > >> > > Calvin >> > > http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcalvin767 >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >
