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Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Texas GT350, Dec 13, 2010.

  1. Texas GT350

    Texas GT350 Well-Known Member

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    When I read the thread on how to check to see if your car is number matching it got me to wondering about mine. Although the car is a clone when I bought it the owner said the drive train came from a real 1966 GT350, I have pulled the oil pan and it is a K series motor (Timing chain and counterweight, see attached picture) so I know that it is possible that it is from an original GT350.

    So my question is there numbers stamped on the motor that could be traced back to the original car? Is the same true for the transmission?
     

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    if it is the original engine & not a service block, then the engine block might be stamped with the VIN of the car. It would be just above the oil pan on the passenger side. The SAAC registrar (65-66registrar@saac.com) would know if the VIN corresponds with a GT-350.


    Z.
     
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    Texas GT350,

    Like Z. said, the Ford VIN should be stamped in the block above the oil pan rail and just in back of the timing cover. The SAAC registrar (Howard Pardee) will only confirm that the engine correlates with a Shelby G.T.350, he will not release the Shelby VIN that is associated withe engine. Of course this opens the opertunity to reunite the engine with its original chassis if it still exists...
     
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    Dang! Not mine! :rolleyes:

    Ken
     
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    Don’t give up hope yet, Ken. The picture of the VIN on the blue block was provided by someone to show the original poster where to look. Texas GT350 has not responded to that yet. I’m holding my breath too. Especially since I live just outside of Houston – where I believe Texas GT350 is located.

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    Steve is correct, I have not looked yet but plan to this weekend and will let you know the number on the block.
     
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    Ron, please DON'T post the full Ford VIN here in a public forum. Better to work thu the SAAC Registrar and just report back here whether the engine is from a GT350 or not. Let the Registrar contact the owner. If you feel you must post the numbers here, how about leaving off the last 2 or 3 digits as a partial security measure?

    As anxious as I am to know the outcome of this, I think a little caution at this point would be wise.

    If the link between a specific Ford VIN and a legitimate Shelby is revealed publicly it will open the door for crooks to build a fake that could create a nightmare for the owner of the real car. Not to mention the victim who buys their fake. And just knowing a Ford VIN that belongs to a GT350, without knowing which particular GT350 could still cause problems.

    Finally, (and this may sound odd considering my previous remarks) would you please post the first 5 digits? Either 5R09K or 6R09K. That won't give anything away to crooks but will let some of us owners know if our car is in the running. Some of the 1966 GT350's came with 1965 engines.

    Thanks for your consideration.

    Steve
     
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    Okay, here's the partial VIN (minus the last 3) on my block, which is not the original to my car. In my dream world I imagine someone else with my block, and I have theirs, and we work out a swap. Probably a long shot, and I'm sure more complicated. I'm thinking of pulling it out for a rebuild soon, so the timing would be right. The only way I think this could happen is:
    • If Howard handled the info and link the parties up, but he's probably got better things to do.
    • Or you play a game of poker, revealing more of the VIN to a person until a digit doesn't match. But in poker you can bluff and may end up giving your block to someone who just needs a K block, if you're a real stupid poker player.
    • Or perhaps use pictures and unblur the digits as you progress and stop at the first mismatch. PhotoShop experts are excluded.
    Anyway, just looking for a way to hookup blocks with their original cars in a somewhat smart way.

    Ken
     
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    Oh shoot! Forgot to attach the photo!:rolleyes:
    Maybe later after a few posts. Or perhaps this should be a new thread.

    Ken
     
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    Ken, no need to play poker. Howard is a great guy and always has time to help people out. And he considers keeping these numbers secret a critical part of his job. I'm sure he would be thrilled to help reunite cars and engines while keeping the Ford VIN's out of the public domain.

    If you have an engine that you know for a fact is not from a GT350 then I see no reason not to post that full VIN if you wish. Maybe the K-car still exists and the owner will see your post & make you a rich man to get his original engine.

    Like you, I'm holding my breath to see what the numbers are on Texas GT350's engine. But since that block is supposed to be from an original Shelby, the info will need to be handled with caution. Maybe one of us will get an email from Howard next week. Good luck!

    Steve
     
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    I posted that photo, saw it on the web long ago, I figure a million copies of it were cloned before I ever saw it. I tend to do things like this to VIN's:

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    NM, looking at the sample pic - duh!
     
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    That's the ticket.

    Steve
     
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    Yeah, seems likely. It's a sample showing where to look.
     
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    Yes, I contacted Howard on this, and sent him a pic of the VIN. He verified it is from another 66 Shelby. I suspect someone here in CA in the 70's had a few and did some trading of parts amongst the cars. Howard didn't have much info on the last known owner except his name Roy and the car was in the NW in the late 90's.
    Anyone named Roy, or bought a car from Roy, and doesn't have their original motor, maybe give Howard a call....

    Ken
     
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    I looked and I took pictures, in short I could not find any stampings at all, so it is not an original Shelby engine like I was told which is a disappointment for sure. I even felt along the block and could not feel any stamping, it does have a lot of paint applied but I think I still could have felt something if it was there. Take a look at the photos and tell me if I am looking in the right spot or not.

    It does have the counterweight which I am told does make it a K engine although I guess that could have been faked by putting on the counterweight and narrower timing chain.

    Ron
     

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    I couldn't quite tell from your first picture, but does it have the HP main caps?

    Ken
     
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    FYI I also would mention that the Philips head screws in the oil pan were used in 65 and not 66 if that matters to you. The vast majority (blue block) 66 GT350's used the hex head RBW marked bolts (AMK). Bob
     
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    Here are more pictures, not sure what to look for though.
     

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