that is why my guy does the ' bb shot blasting' of the surface....to remove all old paint , if any, as well as thin top coat of old or new concrete which gets removed in the same process. my first house with no lifting in 6 yrs had 6 layers of paint on it before the epoxy was added and the floor underneath had 8 or more years of salt on it before i started painting it. the prep is the key, and there ain't no prep as good as bb blasting it. bill, motown. salt and rust capital of the world -----Original Message----- From: jim13mac@aol.com [mailto:jim13mac@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca; wwells249101MI@comcast.net; ORLMUST@aol.com; DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com Subject: Re: Paint / Garage Floor I can add my .02 here. I live in the northeast where we have about 4 months of cold, snow, and road salt/sand each year. I heat my garage to about 65 degrees in the winter, warmer on weekends when puttering around with the cars. I used to paint the floor with "hardware store" type garage floor paint every year because the snow/salt would lift it right off. Now, I don't put the daily driver cars in the garage anymore because I was getting tired of the mess from all the road salt/sand. I also switched to the two part PPG AquaPon Epoxy paint (after careful surface prep). I did repaint the floor again after 3 years because there were a few spots where the epoxy paint lifted a bit. I believe that the road salt got into the concrete over the years and that caused the paint to lift. I have found the 2 part epoxy far superior to anything else. However, in my climate, I think repaints are inevitable, everybody around here has had similar problems with their painted floors. Maybe if I had used the epoxy paint on the floor when it was new, before the road salt, I would have no paint lifting. You guys in the warmer climates might do better. I have yet to find any fluids from the cars make a mark on the epoxy. Everything just wipes up, nice and clean. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Robertson <ronald.robertson@sympatico.ca> To: Bill Wells <wwells249101MI@comcast.net>; ORLMUST@aol.com; DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:57:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Paint / Garage Floor My experience with "paint on" garage floor protectors is not good. We followed all the steps: acid etch, careful preparation, etc. The paint started to lift after one cold winter. Talked to the supplier and he said "I'm gonna stop selling this stuff. Some concrete simply will not etch properly and therefore the paint refuses to bond." Ended up putting vinyl garage flooring down and it is perfect. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wells To: ORLMUST@aol.com ; DLen1261@aol.com ; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Paint / Garage Floor the U Coat it stuff is water based, and some friends here are waiting for the winter to find out how it holds up to ice/snow/salt mush. i have used a 2 part Sherwin Williams epoxy on my floors ( 2 coats) with a clear urethane top coat with clear silica mixed in for non skid protection. on one house it held up flawlessly for 6 yrs ,new house just done..but same guy who did it the first time did it for me again. no chemical has ever eaten thru the epoxy coating, or left a mark on it. wipes right up. the real key with any of the products is the PREP, floor must be prepped properly. my guy uses bb's and bead blasts it first..either new or old floors. the pros here get from $3 to $4 per square foot to prep/install and materials. more costly than do it yourself by a long shot, but then how many folks have a guarantee and have a bb shot blasting machine to ensure the best prep available ? i have seen many other jobs have their floor lift within 1 yr...sometimes ya get what ya pay for.....bill, motown -----Original Message----- From: ORLMUST@aol.com [mailto:ORLMUST@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:45 AM To: DLen1261@aol.com; ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com Subject: Paint / Garage Floor Shelby Group, We recently painted the floor of our new ( 3200 sq ft) storage facility. After asking advise: We chose PPG AquaPon Expoxy products. It cost about $ 700 for the 2 part paint and thinners. We ended up putting two coats with a total product of 22 gallons applied. The material has a gloss, so all the imperfections are obvious. The plus side, is the adhesion is rated high. The resistance to gas, oil, brake fluid is superb. Ask me in about two years for the wear and reliability factors. It sure costs a lot more then the old "concrete stain" sold through Home Depot or Lowes. Has anyone had experience with the "U Coat It" Systems. I know this is VERY expensive. It is reccommended to apply only over bare concrete. Pete Geisler www.OrlandoMustang.com 407 688 1966
