I see you got my voicemail message Colin. Thank you for not painting all brokers with the same paintbrush. Illinois isn't as uptight as Wisconsin in (probably) this one area only. As far as IL Secretary of State is concerned, we run a marketing website and nothing more because we do not buy to resell or confer title. I stepped into this mudpuddle because I to recognized that "sideways" dealing is the ultimate threat to the classic car collector, both hobbyist and the investment collector. Not all of us are as lucky to have owned 50 cars by age 20. I had 13 cars through my highschool and college careers. Buying one beater after another somehow doesn't equate to a vintage collection ranging from Alphas to 427 Cobras (very cool). Still I see that we are on the same side. Show Your Auto is my humble attempt make good process and national market reach accessible directly to the REAL private owners of these cars, NOT to enable pinhookers and protect long term owners from unwittly sell to "Flipper". (Not that they haven't tried) Hopefully we'll turn the tide against "Large Private Buyer and Sellers" who want the gold and glory without the blood and sweat that goes with it. Here's to a Dolphin Safe marketplace! [End shamless self-promotional diatribe] ~Patrick Krook, CEO www.ShowYourAuto.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Colin Comer <colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com> To: Colin Comer <colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com>; James G Cowles <shelbyparts (AT) msn (DOT) com>; mrgt350 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com; jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:56:41 AM Subject: Re: Stephen responds Oh, before there is a hit out on me, let me clarify that there ARE reputable brokers that DO stand behind their deals....guys that are up front about what they are doing and buyers know they are using a broker, who gets paid what, etc. It is the guys masquerading as "collectors" that sell more cars in a year than most dealers that gets me. I have no problem with guys who tell me straight up that they want to broker a deal, tell me what they want, and I wire their fee to them and the purchase price to the owner. And I won't even talk about the unscrupulous bastards that steal pictures, post a car for sale, and then pretend it is theirs and contact the owner AFTER they have a fish on the line. Ok, I am stepping off the soap box now. LOL Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Comer" <colin (AT) colinsclassicauto (DOT) com> To: "James G Cowles" <shelbyparts (AT) msn (DOT) com>; <mrgt350 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>; <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com>; <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net>; <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Stephen responds > RIGHT! It is a PITA to be a dealer in Wisconsin. Which is what chaps me > about these curbstone guys, brokers, whatever...they put a deal together, > and then run and hide if there is a problem. SGB, for example, has run the > ad in Hemmings for years about him being the "Largest Private Buyer and > Seller" of Shelbys... so what does that mean? Is he a broker? A guy who > buys and flips? Or a dealer trying to look like he is not? It is confusing > and I am sure I will get a nasty email from him and maybe even a burning > cross in my yard. LOL - although he is "not on the list". > > As far as I am concerned, if you are going to buy and sell cars, you need > to be honest about it - with the state, with the IRS, with your customers. > All these guys making big money on cars, taking cash or small checks, etc. > and not reporting it are asking for trouble. Skipping title is a Federal > offense, as is not reporting cash sales. All it takes is one ticked off > buyer or a seller making a call and you are in deep you know what. > > Wisconsin is perhaps the toughest, as we have requirements on paperwork, > record keeping, what kind of building you are allowed to sell out of, > having to take a test to get a salesperson license, putting up a $50,000 > bond with the state in case you stiff anybody they can offer retribution, > etc. I am glad they are tough, although it does make it hard to do > "simple" deals because of the miles of paperwork! > > And they watch us like a hawk...Right, Jim? LOL > > Colin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James G Cowles" <shelbyparts (AT) msn (DOT) com> > To: <mrgt350 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>; <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com>; <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net>; > <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: Stephen responds > > >> In the State of Georgia they have a very weird law that states you dont >> have to be a dealer to trade cars that are a certain age or low >> production thus Stephen doesnt need a dealers license. In the state of >> Wisconsin I cant post a car without them calling me. I had a bunch of >> cars listed for customers on my website with their phone numbers ( they >> werent even here and I wasnt the seller!) and they made me pull it down, >> I dont want all the paperwork involved with being a dealer (RIGHT COLIN!) >> >> >>>From: g adams <mrgt350 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> >>>To: STAN SIMM <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com>, jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net, Shelby List >>><shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> >>>Subject: Re: Stephen responds >>>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) >>> >>>Not! >>> >>>--- STAN SIMM <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com> wrote: >>> >>> > "I am not a dealer"...but..."I am getting out of the >>> > business"....What >>> > business? I thought that SGB was just an enthusiast >>> > like us. What a >>> > let-down! >>> > Regards, Stan >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: <jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net> >>> > To: "Shelby List" <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:17 PM >>> > Subject: Re: Stephen responds >>> > >>> > >>> > > This is from the e-mail reponses on his last >>> > auction # 4600072984 . Sounds >>> > like retribution to me. >>> > > >>> > > "Q: Dear Mr. Becker, I noted this car has been on >>> > Ebay 3 times now wanted >>> > to know if there is a problem with the car. Also, I >>> > noted that you were >>> > having a liquidation sale. Does this mean you are >>> > > getting out of the business after all this time? >>> > If that's the case, do >>> > you think Shelbys will continue to appreciate or are >>> > they in for a fall. >>> > These reason I ask is because I intend to own one. >>> > > Thanks, Shawn >>> > > Dec-28-05 >>> > > >>> > > A: When the car was on e bay the first time a >>> > fraudulent bidder placed a >>> > bid and I had to get it removed but not before the >>> > bidder hit (and exposed) >>> > the reserve for a long period of time. It >>> > > compromised the auction. The second time the >>> > auction ran the high bidder >>> > did not understand that I am NOT a dealer and, as >>> > such, could not offer him >>> > financing. It is now running for the third and, >>> > > what I hope to be, final time. The car is a super >>> > car & is as represented >>> > and the past auctions failures have nothing to do >>> > with the car. As far as my >>> > personal situation goes I am getting out of the >>> > > business for at least a year. I have many other >>> > (outside of Shelby cars) >>> > successful business interests and, as such, am >>> > focusing on those companies. >>> > Additionally, my wife and I are having a baby in >>> > > March and I want to be able to focus on that >>> > blessed event for at least >>> > the first twelve to eighteen months. I (personally) >>> > see the market in a >>> > beginning-stage free fall right now. I think that >>> > the >>> > > auction companies will try to carry and support >>> > the market place for >>> > awhile but I think that with the war, higher >>> > interest rates, home-building >>> > going down and more consumer debt then ever, that >>> > these >>> > > cars are beginning to adjust to realistic levels. >>> > I maybe wrong (wouldn't >>> > be the first time) and mine is truly an opinion from >>> > the inside looking out. >>> > I will still do some private, paid consultations >>> > > and higher end dollar deals I just won't be >>> > available to take every phone >>> > call or reply to every e mail. It has been a fun 25 >>> > (+) years in the Shelby >>> > marketplace. Stephen >>> > > >>> > > jon >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Quoting DLen1261 (AT) aol (DOT) com: >>> > > >>> > > - In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:40:47 PM Pacific >>> > Standard Time, >>> > info (AT) nvsaac (DOT) com >>> > > - writes: >>> > > - >>> > > - > On 12/26/2005 10:51:13 AM, Stephen G. Becker >>> > (sbeckerone (AT) charter (DOT) net) >>> > > - > wrote: >>> > > - > >Hello Jim and Merry Christmas to you and your >>> > family!.... >>> > > - > > >>> > > - > >I am taking 2006 off from the Shelby cars as >>> > I have several things >>> > going >>> > > - > on, >>> > > - > >>> > > - >>> > > - Does this indicate that Stephen's sensing a >>> > (near-term) "top" in the >>> > market? >>> > > - >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________ >>>Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. >>>Just $16.99/mo. or less. >>>dsl.yahoo.com >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ >> >
