67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question

How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's manual and one of the newer reprints?
Thanks,
Mitchell



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The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The repops do not have this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's manual and one of the newer reprints?
Thanks,
Mitchell



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That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover, where as the repros are more smooth without texture.

Kenny

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Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The repops do not have this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's manual and one of the newer reprints?
Thanks,
Mitchell



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Mitchell,

Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool the
so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals through
the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature. The older
reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so about a year
ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has more of a grainy
texture than the original one that came in the car. All of the originals I
have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the back of the
manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the stickers. They
are reproductions.

PJ


>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
>
>That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS
>one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the
>originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover,
>where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
>
>Kenny
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The repops
>do not have this.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
> How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's
>manual and one of the newer reprints?
>Thanks,
>Mitchell
>
>
>
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PJ:

My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much real, that does not have the sticker. You are in essence misleading Mitchell.

Kenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com; jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com; shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


Mitchell,

Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals through the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature. The older reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so about a year ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has more of a grainy texture than the original one that came in the car. All of the originals I have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the back of the manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the stickers. They are reproductions.

PJ

>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
>
>That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the >originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover, >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
>
>Kenny
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The repops >do not have this.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
> How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's >manual and one of the newer reprints?
>Thanks,
>Mitchell
>
>
>
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I think it it interesting to have potentially two original items thay
differ. I do not see any reason that the warranty would be applied as a sticker
unless there was a change in the warranty terms.

could we see scans of the wording of each?

bob

 

Kenny,

I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up
of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the
manual you thought was original. It is like owning a 39 year old car years
later and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point,
by an earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something
that isn't correct, doesn't make it NOS.
Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the spokes
were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake for
the group you lectured about 10 spoke wheels.
PJ


>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com,
>shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
>
>
> PJ:
>
>My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before
>submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much
>real, that does not have the sticker. You are in essence misleading
>Mitchell.
>
>Kenny
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com; jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com; shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com;
>shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>Mitchell,
>
>Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool
>the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals
>through the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature.
>The older reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so
>about a year ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has
>more of a grainy texture than the original one that came in the car. All of
>the originals I have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the
>back of the manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the
>stickers. They are reproductions.
>
>PJ
>
> >From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
> >
> >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS
> >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the
> >originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover,
> >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
> >
> >Kenny
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The
>repops >do not have this.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> >To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's
> >manual and one of the newer reprints?
> >Thanks,
> >Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
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I for one have seen original ones with the stickers.... apparently there was a change in the warranty. Too long ago to remember what the change was but believe it was both mileage and number of months

Jeff S

-----Original Message-----
>From: RSANTER (AT) aol (DOT) com
>Sent: Jan 22, 2006 8:00 PM
>To: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com, peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, Jim13Mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>I think it it interesting to have potentially two original items thay
>differ. I do not see any reason that the warranty would be applied as a sticker
>unless there was a change in the warranty terms.
>
>could we see scans of the wording of each?
>
>bob

 

Gentlemen:

I have to laugh because it is really NOT me calling everyone "Gentlemen"....so GANG

I have to agree with Jeff and Peter. I have not seen an NOS so I cannot vouche for anyone in this case regarding NOS, HOWEVER, I do have an original and an old reproduction at hand.
What I have seen is what Peter and Jeff said about labels being glued to the back of the manuals. I also want to point out that the originals have perforation in the paper where you can pull apart
Customer Maintenance Order section where as the repops have none and is a complete whole page. I included pictures for everyone to see.

I hope this answers any questions that others may have.


jon











Quoting speegle (AT) pipeline (DOT) com:

- I for one have seen original ones with the stickers.... apparently there was a change in the warranty. Too long ago to remember what the change was but believe it was both mileage and number of
- months
-
- Jeff S
-
- -----Original Message-----
- >From: RSANTER (AT) aol (DOT) com
- >Sent: Jan 22, 2006 8:00 PM
- >To: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com, peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, Jim13Mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
- >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
- >
- >I think it it interesting to have potentially two original items thay
- >differ. I do not see any reason that the warranty would be applied as a sticker
- >unless there was a change in the warranty terms.
- >
- >could we see scans of the wording of each?
- >
- >bob
-
-
-
-

 

Someone forget the owners manuals may have been done for Shelby American?
There were running changes throughout the three years on almost everything
Shelby did. Could it be possible they printed only about 3000 of the manuals as
an estimate for preduction and had to print more later? Is it possible that
Ford didn't like something in the language? There are numerous
possibilities from the batch size and the printer making a change based on supplies.
The one thing we can be sure of is this is another Shelby variation.

Lee
66 # 869
69 # 2055

 

Lee

What did I miss ? Another variation?

jeff

-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Jan 22, 2006 9:21 PM
>To: RSANTER (AT) aol (DOT) com, Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com, peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, Jim13Mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>Someone forget the owners manuals may have been done for Shelby American?
>There were running changes throughout the three years on almost everything
>Shelby did. Could it be possible they printed only about 3000 of the manuals as
>an estimate for preduction and had to print more later? Is it possible that
>Ford didn't like something in the language? There are numerous
>possibilities from the batch size and the printer making a change based on supplies.
>The one thing we can be sure of is this is another Shelby variation.
>
>Lee
>66 # 869
>69 # 2055

 

PJ:

You must be mistakening me for someone else, or did not listen to what I had said. 10 spoke wheels with the valve stem coming out inside the spokes are an original Shelby American product, and most have the S7 part number on the back side, they are just a later over the counter version, and not assembly line correct. I can give you Rick Radtke's phone number if you'd like, he is one of the premier Shelby literature dealers/collectors. He is the one that sold me the manual 15 years ago, and he can explain the manual differences to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


Kenny,

I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the manual you thought was original. It is like owning a 39 year old car years later and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point, by an earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something that isn't correct, doesn't make it NOS.
Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the spokes were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake for the group you lectured about 10 spoke wheels.
PJ

>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
>
>
> PJ:
>
>My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before >submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much >real, that does not have the sticker. You are in essence misleading >Mitchell.
>
>Kenny
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com; jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com; shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>Mitchell,
>
>Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool >the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals >through the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature. >The older reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so >about a year ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has >more of a grainy texture than the original one that came in the car. All of >the originals I have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the >back of the manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the >stickers. They are reproductions.
>
>PJ
>
> >From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
> >
> >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS > >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the > >originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover, > >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
> >
> >Kenny
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The >repops >do not have this.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> >To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's > >manual and one of the newer reprints?
> >Thanks,
> >Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
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I don't recall ever seeing a post by Ken in which he ever stated anything
other than what he posted below. I have also watched Ken at several shows over
the years as he goes over this very detail; last year at Lime Rock a small
crowd was gathered around him, and followed him from car to car as he pointed
things like this out. As far as the Manual, Ken does indeed have a
Minty-Mint NOS one that I compared my original to. Not all of them have a (or any)
stickers on them. Mine, while a little worn, shows no evidence of any ever on
it. Pages 49 through 54 have very fine perforations. Also look for the grain
on the cover, and the fine "zig-zag" background on the coupons, especially
where it goes through the big "Q", they should be light, but distinct.

M.

In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:04:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:

PJ:

You must be mistakening me for someone else, or did not listen to what I had
said. 10 spoke wheels with the valve stem coming out inside the spokes are
an original Shelby American product, and most have the S7 part number on the
back side, they are just a later over the counter version, and not assembly
line correct. I can give you Rick Radtke's phone number if you'd like, he is
one of the premier Shelby literature dealers/collectors. He is the one that
sold me the manual 15 years ago, and he can explain the manual differences to
you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question

Kenny,

I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up
of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the m
anual you thought was original. It is like owning a 39 year old car years later
and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point, by an
earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something that isn't
correct, doesn't make it NOS.
Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the spokes
were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake for
the group you lectured about 10 spoke wheels.
PJ

>From: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com)
>To: _peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com_ (mailtoeterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) ,
_jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) , _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_
(mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) , >_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
>
>
> PJ:
>
>My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before
>submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much >real,
that does not have the sticker. You are in essence misleading >Mitchell.
>
>Kenny
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <_peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com_
(mailtoeterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) >
>To: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com) ; _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_
(mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) ; _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) ;
>_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
>Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>Mitchell,
>
>Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool
>the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals
>through the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature. >The older
reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so >about a year
ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has >more of a
grainy texture than the original one that came in the car. All of >the originals I
have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the >back of the
manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the >stickers. They are
reproductions.
>
>PJ
>
> >From: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com)
> >To: _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) , _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_
(mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) , _shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_
(mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
> >
> >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS
> >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the >
>originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the cover,
> >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
> >
> >Kenny
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com)
> >To: _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) ;
_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The
>repops >do not have this.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mitchell Pinnix <_shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) >
> >To: _shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_
(mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's >
>manual and one of the newer reprints?
> >Thanks,
> >Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
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Fwd: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question

Hum...

I have to say... One of the things I learned from these parts as I have heard this before from several hardcore Shelby guys is that there are differentiation of parts such as:
Factory Assembly Part, Over The Counter NOS, and Reproduction.

The Factory Assembly Part would be considered an original. The Over The Counter NOS would be a "middle man" where its not necessarily an original but its not a reproduction either. On a scale of 1-
10 with 10 being the best, Original would be 10 and Over The Counter NOS would be 5 with respect to Reproduction being 1.

Grading like this helps understand that sometimes NOS does not mean Original BUT at the same time its not a Reproduction either.

I think this is what Peter and Jeff were trying to say with the right frame of mind.

Mike, what car number is your 67-350. Im curious since I have not seen a manual like yours. I would have to say, things like what you described could be part of changes through 67 Shelbys but its
hard to say without putting the car into a time frame for studying.

Dave Mathews taught me the first lesson to 67 Shelbys and that is time frame of the car's production is critical to explaining the changes made during assembly. These small changes or
variances would be what I call "anomalies." It happens but no one knows why - yet.

jon




----- Forwarded message from shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com -----
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:04:10 -0500
From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
Reply-To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

PJ:

You must be mistakening me for someone else, or did not listen to what I had said. 10 spoke wheels with the valve stem coming out inside the spokes are an original Shelby American product, and most
have the S7 part number on the back side, they are just a later over the counter version, and not assembly line correct. I can give you Rick Radtke's phone number if you'd like, he is one of the
premier Shelby literature dealers/collectors. He is the one that sold me the manual 15 years ago, and he can explain the manual differences to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000
Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


Kenny,

I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the manual you thought was original. It is like owning
a 39 year old car years later and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point, by an earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something that isn't correct,
doesn't make it NOS.
Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the spokes were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake for the group you lectured about 10 spoke
wheels.
PJ

>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
>
>
> PJ:
>
>My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before >submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much >real, that does not have the sticker. You are in
essence misleading >Mitchell.
>
>Kenny
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com; jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com; shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>Mitchell,
>
>Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool >the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals >through the years so I could keep my originals with
my other literature. >The older reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so >about a year ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has >more of a grainy texture than
the original one that came in the car. All of >the originals I have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the >back of the manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the
>stickers. They are reproductions.
>
>PJ
>
> >From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
> >
> >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS > >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the > >originals if you look closely they had a
grain type texture on the cover, > >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
> >
> >Kenny
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
> >To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The >repops >do not have this.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> >To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's > >manual and one of the newer reprints?
> >Thanks,
> >Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
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First, thanks for your inputs. This is an old subject which keeps on getting
kicked around. Some of the contributors have previously discussed this
issue. The original manuals that came in the cars throughout the 1967 model
year have certain characteristics that can't be challenged.
The point however is how can we tell an original from a reproduction.
Many if not all of the Black and White manuals are reproduction. Branda sold
them for years. It would surprise me to learn that dealers would hand out a
manual to owners without the tear out coupons.
My point to Mitchell was that some of the reproduction manuals are so good,
they even fool the so-called experts. The high quality reproduction that I
purchased has to be studied closely in order to tell. It has the textured
cover and the correct lighter "zig zag" background on the coupons and
through the large Q.
The problem with not having the stickers, is that the warranty and the
coupons would not match. The extended warranty and some of the warranty
disclaimers would also not be present.
The coupon perforations are also key and must be present.
As far as the 10 spokes with the valve stem between the spokes are
concerned, they were manufactured by Shelby's wheel company. They were
manufactured after the Federal safety regulations concerning lug nuts were
put into effect which was after these cars were built. They are also not the
original 10 spokes offered for the car.
PJ



>From: APPTELINC (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: Shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com, peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
>CC: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:16:29 EST
>
>
>I don't recall ever seeing a post by Ken in which he ever stated anything
>other than what he posted below. I have also watched Ken at several shows
>over
>the years as he goes over this very detail; last year at Lime Rock a small
>crowd was gathered around him, and followed him from car to car as he
>pointed
>things like this out. As far as the Manual, Ken does indeed have a
>Minty-Mint NOS one that I compared my original to. Not all of them have a
>(or any)
>stickers on them. Mine, while a little worn, shows no evidence of any ever
>on
>it. Pages 49 through 54 have very fine perforations. Also look for the
>grain
>on the cover, and the fine "zig-zag" background on the coupons, especially
>where it goes through the big "Q", they should be light, but distinct.
>
>M.
>
>In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:04:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com writes:
>
> PJ:
>
>You must be mistakening me for someone else, or did not listen to what I
>had
>said. 10 spoke wheels with the valve stem coming out inside the spokes are
>an original Shelby American product, and most have the S7 part number on
>the
>back side, they are just a later over the counter version, and not
>assembly
>line correct. I can give you Rick Radtke's phone number if you'd like, he
>is
>one of the premier Shelby literature dealers/collectors. He is the one
>that
>sold me the manual 15 years ago, and he can explain the manual differences
>to
>you.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>Kenny,
>
>I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up
>of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the m
>anual you thought was original. It is like owning a 39 year old car years
>later
>and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point, by an
>earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something that
>isn't
> correct, doesn't make it NOS.
>Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the
>spokes
>were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake
>for
>the group you lectured about 10 spoke wheels.
>PJ
>
> >From: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com)
> >To: _peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com_ (mailtoeterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) ,
>_jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) , _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_
>(mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) , >_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_
>(mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
> >
> >
> > PJ:
> >
> >My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before
> >submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very
>much >real,
>that does not have the sticker. You are in essence misleading >Mitchell.
> >
> >Kenny
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Peter Johnson <_peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com_
>(mailtoeterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com) >
> >To: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com) ; _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_
>(mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) ; _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com)
>;
> >_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> >Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> >
> >
> >Mitchell,
> >
> >Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool
> >the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals
> >through the years so I could keep my originals with my other literature.
> >The older
> reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so >about a
>year
>ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has >more of a
>grainy texture than the original one that came in the car. All of >the
>originals I
>have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the >back of the
>manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the >stickers.
>They are
>reproductions.
> >
> >PJ
> >
> > >From: _shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com)
> > >To: _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com) , _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_
>(mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) , _shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_
>(mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> > >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
> > >
> > >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an
>NOS
> > >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is
>the >
> >originals if you look closely they had a grain type texture on the
>cover,
> > >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
> > >
> > >Kenny
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: _jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com_ (mailto:jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com)
> > >To: _shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com) ;
>_shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_ (mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> > >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> > >
> > >
> > >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The
> >repops >do not have this.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mitchell Pinnix <_shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com_ (mailto:shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com)
> >
> > >To: _shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com_
>(mailto:shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com)
> > >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
> > >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> > >
> > >
> > > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's
> >
> >manual and one of the newer reprints?
> > >Thanks,
> > >Mitchell
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Fwd: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question

Think you'll find many of us refer to "Over The Counter parts" as replacement or NOS replacement parts

Just a comment

Jeff S

-----Original Message-----
>From: jonlee (AT) wt (DOT) net
>Sent: Jan 23, 2006 6:09 AM
>To: Shelby List <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com>
>Subject: Fwd: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>Hum...
>
>I have to say... One of the things I learned from these parts as I have heard this before from several hardcore Shelby guys is that there are differentiation of parts such as:
>Factory Assembly Part, Over The Counter NOS, and Reproduction.
>
>The Factory Assembly Part would be considered an original. The Over The Counter NOS would be a "middle man" where its not necessarily an original but its not a reproduction either. On a scale of 1-
>10 with 10 being the best, Original would be 10 and Over The Counter NOS would be 5 with respect to Reproduction being 1.
>
>Grading like this helps understand that sometimes NOS does not mean Original BUT at the same time its not a Reproduction either.
>
>I think this is what Peter and Jeff were trying to say with the right frame of mind.
>
>Mike, what car number is your 67-350. Im curious since I have not seen a manual like yours. I would have to say, things like what you described could be part of changes through 67 Shelbys but its
>hard to say without putting the car into a time frame for studying.
>
>Dave Mathews taught me the first lesson to 67 Shelbys and that is time frame of the car's production is critical to explaining the changes made during assembly. These small changes or
>variances would be what I call "anomalies." It happens but no one knows why - yet.
>
>jon
>
>
>
>
>----- Forwarded message from shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com -----
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:04:10 -0500
> From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>Reply-To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
> Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
> To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
>
> PJ:
>
>You must be mistakening me for someone else, or did not listen to what I had said. 10 spoke wheels with the valve stem coming out inside the spokes are an original Shelby American product, and most
>have the S7 part number on the back side, they are just a later over the counter version, and not assembly line correct. I can give you Rick Radtke's phone number if you'd like, he is one of the
>premier Shelby literature dealers/collectors. He is the one that sold me the manual 15 years ago, and he can explain the manual differences to you.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>Cc: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:21:25 +0000
>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>
>
>Kenny,
>
>I expressed my opinion and the opinion of those I respect, who are made up of original owners and real experts. I am sorry if you were taken on the manual you thought was original. It is like owning
>a 39 year old car years later and ignoring the fact that it could have been changed at some point, by an earlier owner. It doesn't make it correct. Paying money for something that isn't correct,
>doesn't make it NOS.
>Years ago you told me that 10 spokes with the valve stems between the spokes were original. It was an another error you made and an expensive mistake for the group you lectured about 10 spoke
>wheels.
>PJ
>
>>From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>>To: peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com, jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:51:43 -0500
>>
>>
>> PJ:
>>
>>My advice to you is, you should choose your words carefully before >submitting your opinion. I do in fact own an NOS manual, that is very much >real, that does not have the sticker. You are in
>essence misleading >Mitchell.
>>
>>Kenny
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Peter Johnson <peterj_251 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>>To: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com; jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com; shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; >shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>>Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:53:32 +0000
>>Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>>
>>
>>Mitchell,
>>
>>Some of the reproduction 67 Shelby manuals are very good. They even fool >the so-called experts. I have had a few different reproduction manuals >through the years so I could keep my originals with
>my other literature. >The older reproductions were smooth. The older one I had got stained so >about a year ago I purchased a new reproduction on eBay. It actually has >more of a grainy texture than
>the original one that came in the car. All of >the originals I have ever seen had the"NEW CAR WARRANTEE" stickers in the >back of the manual. Don't be fooled by buying an NOS manual without the
>>stickers. They are reproductions.
>>
>>PJ
>>
>> >From: shelby6t7 (AT) aol (DOT) com
>> >To: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com, shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com, shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>> >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:28:24 -0500
>> >
>> >That does not hold true for all original 67 Shelby manuals. I have an NOS > >one, and it does not have that pasted page. The best way to tell is the > >originals if you look closely they had a
>grain type texture on the cover, > >where as the repros are more smooth without texture.
>> >
>> >Kenny
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: jim13mac (AT) aol (DOT) com
>> >To: shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:29 -0500
>> >Subject: Re: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>> >
>> >
>> >The last page is pasted over with another page on the originals. The >repops >do not have this.
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Mitchell Pinnix <shlbygt (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>> >To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
>> >Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
>> >Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you tell the difference between an original 67 Shelby owner's > >manual and one of the newer reprints?
>> >Thanks,
>> >Mitchell
>> >
>> >
>> >
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ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow

Dan



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Dan:
Deplore the language - I echo the sentiments. And none, absolutely none of this is written down. It is all in a collective "somebody's" head.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: 67 Shelby Owner's Manual Question


ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow

Dan


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In a message dated 1/23/2006 9:46:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ttastage2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writes:

> ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time
> ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains
> sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong
> bolt "

One of the folks I know used to respond to that "wrong bolt" stuff with "OH,
NO; I guess I'll just have to send [my car] through the crusher ASAP"....

 

It is a bit strange Dan. Hell these cars have lived with many lives for a long time and s**t happens. I remember looking at a 63 corvette split window with out the split and three tail lights as opposed to only two. Back in those days that was the thing to do. Who cares, you can sort it.

Hell cars caught fire or got in wrecks etc. We try to keep our cars I suppose the best we can. But the collectors God bless em, are the ones, when they pay top top dollar, require the highest in original spec. The only thing I sometimes resent is the my car is better than your car syndrome and the level of bragging rights they seem to have. I have had some top metal in my life but I always would try to compliment the guys with the lesser speced vehicles. At the end of the day If a normal working guy is fortunate enough to own a Shelby. I think that that is a compliment to the vehicle type as he has to sweat allot more to own one than a guy who has unlimited resources of funds who just goes out and buys one. There is a bit of ego going on with these cars nowadays with some of the new purchasers and I think that is a shamed as they miss the spirit of the vehicle and the people who own them. I am just a lowly photographer with out huge bucks. The sacrifices that go into keeping my car in a fairly good condition proves that spirit, although the wife shakes her head sometimes. So guys with the top cars count your blessings and try not to leverage your self esteem by pointing out deficiencies of others vehicles as it is real boring.

Regards

Randall Paul



>From Dan
ya know this is why I got out of the Shelby and Cobra market a long time ago .. it's a car for Christ sake !!! my shitbox 66 Shelby Convert remains sleeping in a barn rather to listening to know it all's "oh look thats the wrong bolt " ... ok rant off .. have to go an shovel snow

Dan