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'69 Shelby that came new with Boss 302

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by bitzman, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. bitzman

    bitzman Well-Known Member

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    It is pictured in the new Boss 302 book by Donald Farr (a great book, by the way!)

    Farr says one prototype car with that engine was requested by Shelby but then doesn't say why the engine wasn't offered in place or in addition to the other small block in production. It seems like it the high winding small block would have made for a zingier package or by then was the Shelby Mustang too overweight for it for a hotter engine to make much of a differance? Or was the non-offering of the Boss engine in the Shelby another example of Knudsen's revenge on Shelby?
    Also did they dislike each other for years or only after Shelby wrote a public letter challenging Knudsen to make available some special part on Chevys that Chevy was claiming was production but wasn't (I forget the part--maybe a transaxle or alloy block? )

    Or it could be that, since 1000 Boss 302s had to be made for it to qualify as a production model vehicle, that's the simplest explanation--of Ford had made the same engine available in a Shelby that could have diluted Boss sales enough to cause Ford to fall short of its goal.
     
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    A prototype is built before production starts. The car was an engineering car. It was at SAAC 34. I would say a Shelby weighs less than a Boss 302, since a large number of the panels are fiberglass.

    http://www.thecoralsnake.com/SAAC34
     
  3. bitzman

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    You are right. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that auto companies try to discourage employees from buying test parts, or even complete cars for legal reasons, i.e. if the parts fail then they might be liable, or the cars might not meet all the laws since they were just prototypes; and or mules (Chevy got in trouble for this when someone tried to sell some '83 Corvettes at a major car auction. Officially Chevrolet skipped that year Corvette so any 1983 Corvette is a test car not certified for sale).

    My question is: why would it need to be disguised? Surely Shelby himself was not going to come back and demand the car back from Ford? Farr even says Shelby left Ford in 1969, so at that point he could probably have cared less what happened to some engineering/marketing proposal.

    The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that auto companies try to discourage employees from buying test parts (Toyota drills holes in the parts before they go in the dumpster) , or even try to avoid selling complete cars for legal reasons, i.e. if the parts fail then they might be liable, or the cars might not meet all the laws since they were just prototypes; and or mules (Chevy got in trouble for this when someone tried to sell some '83 Corvettes at a major car auction. Officially Chevrolet skipped that year Corvette so any 1983 Corvette is a test car not certified for sale).

    Or else on a more personal level maybe the engineer who got lucky was worried other employees who would have liked to bid on the car would be jealous that he alone succeeded so he downplayed the uniqueness of the car by rebodying it so that he could drive it to work and no one would know it was once Shelby-bodied.
    In the one of the new books there's a story on Shinoda's Boss prototype that got sold as a regular car and was only recognized later as the first Boss.

    I wonder who recognized the '69 Shelby Boss 302's historical significance and if they got a real deal on the car as a result of buying it "blind" i.e. hoping that it was what is is, a one off prototype. Is the car on display now at a car-related business?

    Additional note: I don't have a registry but according to Heasley's article in Mustang Monthly, it's in that tome. Heasley says:" The car carries a Boss and Shelby VIN, 9F02G482244-the G denotes the Boss 302 engine; the consecutive unit numbers beginning with 48 were designated as Shelbys. From the car's inception, it was an executive order, with DSO number 9999. The car is listed in the Shelby American World Registry with its G-code VIN conspicuous among the M-code (351) and R-code (428 Cobra Jet) numbers.

    Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/featuredvehicles/mump_0803_1969_gt350_shelby_mustang/viewall.html#ixzz2DMLXj4fZ"
     
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    One more time for the slow kids.....:D

    It was an engineering car. Not a prototype. It was not at Ford. It was assigned to Shelby Engineering. What makes you think it was disguised? There are many cases of engineering cars having their non stock parts removed and sold as used vehicles. That small detail might explain why it survives.
     
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    I used to own this car. It is my opinion it was destined to be a Shelby but was never finished at all .It was delivered to AO Smith as other 69 Shelby's were without a front end. It was in the middle of being born when the orders came down that the Shelby Brand was being discontinued and so no further time or money was spent on the project. The project was abandoned and pushed to the corner. There were some tell tale signs that the car had not yet been fitted for the front fenders when work stopped but had the foglight harness run and Shelby complete interior before being abandoned by the prototype project crew. The car left when purchased by a Ford employee who must have wrangled some Mustang fenders and other misc parts to make it presentable and drivable on the street even if not in Shelby trim. I believe the 69 Shelby trim was what the car was destined to be built with.I think anyone who thinks it was disguised is reading to much into the situation. I think the Mustang trim parts were added as a matter of convenience at the time only to make the car driveable on the street.
     

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