Check out this e-mail I just got. R.Tatman Body: GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hiit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to over 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Lyle Klein, Director, Research Coordinator Thanks for your support, "The secret to success is to know something nobody else knows."
Personally, I think this is an unrealistic and stupid idea. At $70/barrel, it costs the refineries more than $1.30/gal. to produce the gasoline. Then it has to be distributed to the various tank "farms" and then distributed again to the local markets. Everyone in the chain deserves a reasonable profit. That's capitalism. Neither EXXON/MOBIL nor any of the other major refineries is the culprit. It's simply supply and demand. OPEC knows this and that's why the price is $70/barrel. That's why gasoline goes up over major holidays and the Summer. People travel more and the demand goes up. The only long-term solutions are alternative energy sources which reduce the dependency on oil, reduction in demand by travelling less and higher efficiency vehicles. 'nuff ced'! Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: SHELBNUT (AT) aol (DOT) com To: REYEB3 (AT) aol (DOT) com ; kenthomas68 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com ; Fershtand (AT) aol (DOT) com ; dfershtand (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net ; jbittle (AT) jbaracing (DOT) com ; Johnthomas702632 (AT) aol (DOT) com ; Greg (AT) CoatPro (DOT) biz ; mchargrave (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com ; saachp (AT) snet (DOT) net ; timepiecepr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com ; accobra (AT) peoplepc (DOT) com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Could this work? Check out this e-mail I just got. R.Tatman Body: GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hiit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to over 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Lyle Klein, Director, Research Coordinator Thanks for your support, "The secret to success is to know something nobody else knows."
Not to get into a pissing contest with Stan or anyone else on the list over oil costs but here is the view from my part of the world. The minute Katrina hit, our prices in Canada spiked too. Why? We are not dependant on any of the refineries that were damaged by the storm. It used to be the stations would raise their prices with the incoming load. It was amazing, every station in town received a new delivery that very night as they all raised it together. Another example, a gas station in Edmonton heard prices were rising to $.90 a litre. It immediately raised its prices. All on a rumour. Sure its a supply and demand situation, but Canada has enough that we supply our own needs. We didn't have a catastrophe which affected our supply, so why did our prices go up? Rhetorical question, no answers needed. I am in Alberta, home of the tar sands. Which, according to experts has enough oil to supply N American needs for the next 500 years. I took a tour of one of the plants a few years ago and was told by the guide that as long as the world price was above $23 a barrel the plant makes money. Now, this was on the oil only, none of the by products of refining was included. Such as sulpher, which was selling then for approx $200 a ton. Big companies have many ways of hiding all the other income they make. Just to let you all know, they have 2 plants up there working now and construction is underway (a joint venture of the major oil companies btw) of another one. If I recall correctly, this one will be able to process more than the other 2 combined. My favourite is how they sell it to themselves as it gets delivered to the station. Some of these larger companies do own their own wells which operate under a different name but still inside the corporate shell. So, the pumping company sells it to trucking company (also owned by the shell) and its hauled to the refinery where the trucking company sells it to the refinery (yupper, still inside the shell corporation) where it is refined and sold to another company for transport to the station. (hey, surprise, that trucking company is also owned by the shell corporation) So, each step of the way the oil company makes a profit. But, since the only time it appears as Exxon, Mobile etc etc is at the pump they can tell us that they are only making pennies on the gallon. Anyway, my opinion which, with $1.75 will buy you a cup of coffee. Or maybe a couple of litres of gas or if you are really lucky an entire gallon (US only) Rob At 08:03 AM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Personally, I think this is an unrealistic and stupid idea. At $70/barrel, it costs the refineries more than $1.30/gal. to produce the gasoline. Then it has to be distributed to the various tank "farms" and then distributed again to the local markets. Everyone in the chain deserves a reasonable profit. That's capitalism. Neither EXXON/MOBIL nor any of the other major refineries is the culprit. It's simply supply and demand. OPEC knows this and that's why the price is $70/barrel. That's why gasoline goes up over major holidays and the Summer. People travel more and the demand goes up. The only long-term solutions are alternative energy sources which reduce the dependency on oil, reduction in demand by travelling less and higher efficiency vehicles. >'nuff ced'! >Regards, Stan >
Rob & all- No peeing contest here...just good friends sharing diferent opinions. I just got back from gassing up the F250SD. 18 gallons of regular for $50.00. Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it? But if I had filled it up with 16 oz. bottles of water for $1.00/ea., it would have cost me $144.00. Or a 16 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee@ $1.45 equates to $11.60/gal or $208.80. How 'bout a 3.4 oz. bottle of cologne @$50/bottle? That's $1882.50/gal. or $33,885 for my fill-up. We get ripped off in so many other ways but never pay any attention to it. When frost destroys the coffee or citrus crop and the price goes up, we just cringe and pay the price. Now gasoline starts to go up (as it has been in Europe for some time) and we rise up in indignation. Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Could this work? > Not to get into a pissing contest with Stan or anyone else on the list over > oil costs but here is the view from my part of the world. > > The minute Katrina hit, our prices in Canada spiked too. Why? We are not > dependant on any of the refineries that were damaged by the storm. It used > to be the stations would raise their prices with the incoming load. It was > amazing, every station in town received a new delivery that very night as > they all raised it together. Another example, a gas station in Edmonton > heard prices were rising to $.90 a litre. It immediately raised its prices. > All on a rumour. > > Sure its a supply and demand situation, but Canada has enough that we > supply our own needs. We didn't have a catastrophe which affected our > supply, so why did our prices go up? Rhetorical question, no answers needed. > > I am in Alberta, home of the tar sands. Which, according to experts has > enough oil to supply N American needs for the next 500 years. I took a tour > of one of the plants a few years ago and was told by the guide that as long > as the world price was above $23 a barrel the plant makes money. Now, this > was on the oil only, none of the by products of refining was included. Such > as sulpher, which was selling then for approx $200 a ton. Big companies > have many ways of hiding all the other income they make. Just to let you > all know, they have 2 plants up there working now and construction is > underway (a joint venture of the major oil companies btw) of another one. > If I recall correctly, this one will be able to process more than the other > 2 combined. > > My favourite is how they sell it to themselves as it gets delivered to the > station. Some of these larger companies do own their own wells which > operate under a different name but still inside the corporate shell. So, > the pumping company sells it to trucking company (also owned by the shell) > and its hauled to the refinery where the trucking company sells it to the > refinery (yupper, still inside the shell corporation) where it is refined > and sold to another company for transport to the station. (hey, surprise, > that trucking company is also owned by the shell corporation) So, each step > of the way the oil company makes a profit. But, since the only time it > appears as Exxon, Mobile etc etc is at the pump they can tell us that they > are only making pennies on the gallon. > > Anyway, my opinion which, with $1.75 will buy you a cup of coffee. Or maybe > a couple of litres of gas or if you are really lucky an entire gallon (US > only) > > Rob > > > At 08:03 AM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Personally, I think this is an unrealistic and stupid idea. At > $70/barrel, it costs the refineries more than $1.30/gal. to produce the > gasoline. Then it has to be distributed to the various tank "farms" and > then distributed again to the local markets. Everyone in the chain > deserves a reasonable profit. That's capitalism. Neither EXXON/MOBIL nor > any of the other major refineries is the culprit. It's simply supply and > demand. OPEC knows this and that's why the price is $70/barrel. That's why > gasoline goes up over major holidays and the Summer. People travel more > and the demand goes up. The only long-term solutions are alternative > energy sources which reduce the dependency on oil, reduction in demand by > travelling less and higher efficiency vehicles. > >'nuff ced'! > >Regards, Stan > >
Stan Some of us will drink tap water or have a 99 cent big gulp. For cologne we can get the generic or copy brand, and some of us do not drink coffee or will choose to brew our own. In other words we have choices. we like that. I think most people feel so screwed about the gas deal because we all need to get somewhere and the choices are few. I carpool with a friend at work as we have about a 30 min commute we get to talk some shop on the drive or release some tension if one of us has a problem. It works great. I would likely choose to use public transportation but that does not work for me due to where I live and where I work. getting to work in my full size truck was pissing me off because of the cost of gas so I went and bought a Toyota PU. gas kept going up so I went to carpooling. I am running out of options here to cut cost. The wife wants a Mercedes but I am thinking more like a camry hybrid at these rates. I feel pinched because of the lack of options, I am sure most people are frustrated with the same deal. Personally I have been an advocate of going to alcohol/M85 for a long time. In college (early-mid 80s) I worked on a student design project called Supermileage where we built a car to compete against other schools for gas mileage. two of the years we ranked second in the nation getting around 1200 MPG on alcohol and we were able to cruse at 55. there are options out there that the industry can do that I belive people will accept, we just need to light the fire so they get it done. bob
You are correct on the water and some of the other items, but do you drink 18 gallons of water in one day? I would use that much in a trip to Edmonton and back. As for the coffee/orange etc crop getting wiped out, yes it does cause a rise in prices, but only for that year. If the next year is good, then the prices settle back down again. With gas, you never see it come down to where it was, it might drop a few cents but never back to the old levels. What I don't understand is why N America depends on OPEC so much for its oil. As I said earlier, the tar sands here have enough for hundreds of years and that is not counting the stuff underground that is already in liquid form. I am sure that N America could be self sufficient very easily. I know why our gas here is higher than in the US its because of our tax system but it was only a year ago that we were paying around $.40-45 a litre. Still had the same amount of tax on it. I don't know enough about European economics to begin a discussion on that. Do they have any oil producers at all or are they totally dependant on imported oil? About the peeing contest, I simply didn't want you to think I was going after your comments. I just wanted to share mine. I agree with your statement about sharing points of view, but I think they are closer rather than further. Rob At 06:24 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Rob & all- > No peeing contest here...just good friends sharing diferent opinions. I >just got back from gassing up the F250SD. 18 gallons of regular for $50.00. >Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it? But if I had filled it up with >16 oz. bottles of water for $1.00/ea., it would have cost me $144.00. Or a >16 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee@ $1.45 equates to $11.60/gal or $208.80. How >'bout a 3.4 oz. bottle of cologne @$50/bottle? That's $1882.50/gal. or >$33,885 for my fill-up. We get ripped off in so many other ways but never >pay any attention to it. When frost destroys the coffee or citrus crop and >the price goes up, we just cringe and pay the price. Now gasoline starts to >go up (as it has been in Europe for some time) and we rise up in >indignation. >Regards, Stan >
Fw: Could this work? Check out this e-mail I just got.Interesting huh ? Olaf Body: GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hiit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to over 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Lyle Klein, Director, Research Coordinator Thanks for your support, "The secret to success is to know something nobody else knows."
Well, Guys, I think we're bringing out some good points here. Personal circumstances are a significant factor in who gets hurt the most here. People with long commutes, families with many activities in a variety of different locations, etc. I can certainly appreciate what Bob says about choice of cars. My wife bought a MINI Cooper S back in '03 and I continually enjoyed driving it so much that I just purchased a MINI Cooper S with ltd. slip for myself. It'll be my new street/track car. The Cobra R will see less use. I'll be able to drive to the track instead of taking the 250SD and the trailer. I rationalized that this would be a way to save gas. (How many gallons of gas would I have to use to offset the cost of the MINI and its mods?...Please don't tell my wife!) Rob, as for OPEC vs. Canadian oil, I just don't know. It would appear that our government and the oil companies have been dealing off the bottom of the deck. I will give you all something to think about tho...I'm old enough to remember when you could buy a nice men's dress shirt (Hathaway button-down oxford) in a good men's shop for $3.95. Today, I think you'll agree that it would take 10 times that. A gallon of AMOCO white hi-test was running about 35 cents a gallon. A '65 Hi-Po Mustang could easily be had for $3,000. A '65 Shelby for what? $4,000? Get my drift here? What hasn't kept up with inflation? The price of a gallon of gasoline! Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Could this work? > You are correct on the water and some of the other items, but do you drink > 18 gallons of water in one day? I would use that much in a trip to Edmonton > and back. > > As for the coffee/orange etc crop getting wiped out, yes it does cause a > rise in prices, but only for that year. If the next year is good, then the > prices settle back down again. With gas, you never see it come down to > where it was, it might drop a few cents but never back to the old levels. > > What I don't understand is why N America depends on OPEC so much for its > oil. As I said earlier, the tar sands here have enough for hundreds of > years and that is not counting the stuff underground that is already in > liquid form. I am sure that N America could be self sufficient very easily. > I know why our gas here is higher than in the US its because of our tax > system but it was only a year ago that we were paying around $.40-45 a > litre. Still had the same amount of tax on it. > > I don't know enough about European economics to begin a discussion on that. > Do they have any oil producers at all or are they totally dependant on > imported oil? > > About the peeing contest, I simply didn't want you to think I was going > after your comments. I just wanted to share mine. I agree with your > statement about sharing points of view, but I think they are closer rather > than further. > > Rob > > > At 06:24 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > >Rob & all- > > No peeing contest here...just good friends sharing diferent opinions. I > >just got back from gassing up the F250SD. 18 gallons of regular for $50.00. > >Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it? But if I had filled it up with > >16 oz. bottles of water for $1.00/ea., it would have cost me $144.00. Or a > >16 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee@ $1.45 equates to $11.60/gal or $208.80. How > >'bout a 3.4 oz. bottle of cologne @$50/bottle? That's $1882.50/gal. or > >$33,885 for my fill-up. We get ripped off in so many other ways but never > >pay any attention to it. When frost destroys the coffee or citrus crop and > >the price goes up, we just cringe and pay the price. Now gasoline starts to > >go up (as it has been in Europe for some time) and we rise up in > >indignation. > >Regards, Stan > >
Yes, that is true, Stan. As the oil companies have pointed out. I think they were the ones who figured out how much a gallon of Pepsi, glacier fresh water, etc would cost too. But you know? The price of gas is doing its best to catch up. Rob At 08:22 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > I will give you all something to think about tho...I'm old enough to >remember when you could buy a nice men's dress shirt (Hathaway button-down >oxford) in a good men's shop for $3.95. Today, I think you'll agree that it >would take 10 times that. A gallon of AMOCO white hi-test was running about >35 cents a gallon. A '65 Hi-Po Mustang could easily be had for $3,000. A >'65 Shelby for what? $4,000? Get my drift here? What hasn't kept up with >inflation? The price of a gallon of gasoline! >Regards, Stan
Re: Re: Could this work? OK, Stan, you are downsizing on your toys. How bout a deal on the Cobra R? It would free up enough garage space and insurance money for another MINI. One to work, one to play and one for wifey dear. Lets see, there is one on E-bay for 24,000, all original. Yours has been modified and is experienced. How bout $12,000 and you keep the tow vehicle with trailer? DEAL? Didn't think so but I had to try. The price of gas is not the issue, the obscene profits the oil companies are making cause me to wonder who is the screwer and who is the screwee. It damn sure ain't the oil company executives. Did you see the retirement package for the EXXON guy? SEE YA Lee > > From: "STAN SIMM" <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com> > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 08:22:07 EDT > To: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca>, <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Could this work? > > Well, Guys, I think we're bringing out some good points here. Personal > circumstances are a significant factor in who gets hurt the most here. > People with long commutes, families with many activities in a variety of > different locations, etc. I can certainly appreciate what Bob says about > choice of cars. My wife bought a MINI Cooper S back in '03 and I continually > enjoyed driving it so much that I just purchased a MINI Cooper S with ltd. > slip for myself. It'll be my new street/track car. The Cobra R will see > less use. I'll be able to drive to the track instead of taking the 250SD > and the trailer. I rationalized that this would be a way to save gas. (How > many gallons of gas would I have to use to offset the cost of the MINI and > its mods?...Please don't tell my wife!) > Rob, as for OPEC vs. Canadian oil, I just don't know. It would appear > that our government and the oil companies have been dealing off the bottom > of the deck. > I will give you all something to think about tho...I'm old enough to > remember when you could buy a nice men's dress shirt (Hathaway button-down > oxford) in a good men's shop for $3.95. Today, I think you'll agree that it > would take 10 times that. A gallon of AMOCO white hi-test was running about > 35 cents a gallon. A '65 Hi-Po Mustang could easily be had for $3,000. A > '65 Shelby for what? $4,000? Get my drift here? What hasn't kept up with > inflation? The price of a gallon of gasoline! > Regards, Stan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> > To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: Could this work? > > > > You are correct on the water and some of the other items, but do you drink > > 18 gallons of water in one day? I would use that much in a trip to > Edmonton > > and back. > > > > As for the coffee/orange etc crop getting wiped out, yes it does cause a > > rise in prices, but only for that year. If the next year is good, then the > > prices settle back down again. With gas, you never see it come down to > > where it was, it might drop a few cents but never back to the old levels. > > > > What I don't understand is why N America depends on OPEC so much for its > > oil. As I said earlier, the tar sands here have enough for hundreds of > > years and that is not counting the stuff underground that is already in > > liquid form. I am sure that N America could be self sufficient very > easily. > > I know why our gas here is higher than in the US its because of our tax > > system but it was only a year ago that we were paying around $.40-45 a > > litre. Still had the same amount of tax on it. > > > > I don't know enough about European economics to begin a discussion on > that. > > Do they have any oil producers at all or are they totally dependant on > > imported oil? > > > > About the peeing contest, I simply didn't want you to think I was going > > after your comments. I just wanted to share mine. I agree with your > > statement about sharing points of view, but I think they are closer rather > > than further. > > > > Rob > > > > > > At 06:24 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > > >Rob & all- > > > No peeing contest here...just good friends sharing diferent opinions. > I > > >just got back from gassing up the F250SD. 18 gallons of regular for > $50.00. > > >Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it? But if I had filled it up > with > > >16 oz. bottles of water for $1.00/ea., it would have cost me $144.00. > Or a > > >16 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee@ $1.45 equates to $11.60/gal or $208.80. > How > > >'bout a 3.4 oz. bottle of cologne @$50/bottle? That's $1882.50/gal. or > > >$33,885 for my fill-up. We get ripped off in so many other ways but never > > >pay any attention to it. When frost destroys the coffee or citrus crop > and > > >the price goes up, we just cringe and pay the price. Now gasoline starts > to > > >go up (as it has been in Europe for some time) and we rise up in > > >indignation. > > >Regards, Stan > > > > >
Re: Re: Could this work? Lee- Many thanks for the kind and generous offer to take the Cobra R off my hands. As much as it pains me to pass, I think I will. The way I figure, it's now 11 years old. Another 29 years and it'll be as old as the original GT350-R's and maybe will be worth a few more bux. With the wonders of modern medical science, I may still be around to see what happens (although I'd probably be gumming my pablum like a baby and making unintelligent sounds!) At least my grandkids will hopefully enjoy it. Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmathias (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> To: "STAN SIMM" <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com>; "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca>; <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Could this work? > OK, Stan, you are downsizing on your toys. How bout a deal on the Cobra R? It would free up enough garage space and insurance money for another MINI. One to work, one to play and one for wifey dear. Lets see, there is one on E-bay for 24,000, all original. Yours has been modified and is experienced. How bout $12,000 and you keep the tow vehicle with trailer? DEAL? Didn't think so but I had to try. The price of gas is not the issue, the obscene profits the oil companies are making cause me to wonder who is the screwer and who is the screwee. It damn sure ain't the oil company executives. Did you see the retirement package for the EXXON guy? SEE YA Lee > > > > > From: "STAN SIMM" <SSIMM (AT) triad (DOT) rr.com> > > Date: 2006/04/15 Sat PM 08:22:07 EDT > > To: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca>, <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> > > Subject: Re: Could this work? > > > > Well, Guys, I think we're bringing out some good points here. Personal > > circumstances are a significant factor in who gets hurt the most here. > > People with long commutes, families with many activities in a variety of > > different locations, etc. I can certainly appreciate what Bob says about > > choice of cars. My wife bought a MINI Cooper S back in '03 and I continually > > enjoyed driving it so much that I just purchased a MINI Cooper S with ltd. > > slip for myself. It'll be my new street/track car. The Cobra R will see > > less use. I'll be able to drive to the track instead of taking the 250SD > > and the trailer. I rationalized that this would be a way to save gas. (How > > many gallons of gas would I have to use to offset the cost of the MINI and > > its mods?...Please don't tell my wife!) > > Rob, as for OPEC vs. Canadian oil, I just don't know. It would appear > > that our government and the oil companies have been dealing off the bottom > > of the deck. > > I will give you all something to think about tho...I'm old enough to > > remember when you could buy a nice men's dress shirt (Hathaway button-down > > oxford) in a good men's shop for $3.95. Today, I think you'll agree that it > > would take 10 times that. A gallon of AMOCO white hi-test was running about > > 35 cents a gallon. A '65 Hi-Po Mustang could easily be had for $3,000. A > > '65 Shelby for what? $4,000? Get my drift here? What hasn't kept up with > > inflation? The price of a gallon of gasoline! > > Regards, Stan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob Zanussi" <rzanussi (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> > > To: <shelbymustang (AT) carmemories (DOT) com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:19 PM > > Subject: Re: Could this work? > > > > > > > You are correct on the water and some of the other items, but do you drink > > > 18 gallons of water in one day? I would use that much in a trip to > > Edmonton > > > and back. > > > > > > As for the coffee/orange etc crop getting wiped out, yes it does cause a > > > rise in prices, but only for that year. If the next year is good, then the > > > prices settle back down again. With gas, you never see it come down to > > > where it was, it might drop a few cents but never back to the old levels. > > > > > > What I don't understand is why N America depends on OPEC so much for its > > > oil. As I said earlier, the tar sands here have enough for hundreds of > > > years and that is not counting the stuff underground that is already in > > > liquid form. I am sure that N America could be self sufficient very > > easily. > > > I know why our gas here is higher than in the US its because of our tax > > > system but it was only a year ago that we were paying around $.40-45 a > > > litre. Still had the same amount of tax on it. > > > > > > I don't know enough about European economics to begin a discussion on > > that. > > > Do they have any oil producers at all or are they totally dependant on > > > imported oil? > > > > > > About the peeing contest, I simply didn't want you to think I was going > > > after your comments. I just wanted to share mine. I agree with your > > > statement about sharing points of view, but I think they are closer rather > > > than further. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > At 06:24 PM 4/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Rob & all- > > > > No peeing contest here...just good friends sharing diferent opinions. > > I > > > >just got back from gassing up the F250SD. 18 gallons of regular for > > $50.00. > > > >Definitely gets your attention, doesn't it? But if I had filled it up > > with > > > >16 oz. bottles of water for $1.00/ea., it would have cost me $144.00. > > Or a > > > >16 oz. cup of Starbucks coffee@ $1.45 equates to $11.60/gal or $208.80. > > How > > > >'bout a 3.4 oz. bottle of cologne @$50/bottle? That's $1882.50/gal. or > > > >$33,885 for my fill-up. We get ripped off in so many other ways but never > > > >pay any attention to it. When frost destroys the coffee or citrus crop > > and > > > >the price goes up, we just cringe and pay the price. Now gasoline starts > > to > > > >go up (as it has been in Europe for some time) and we rise up in > > > >indignation. > > > >Regards, Stan > > > > > > > >
