In the book Daytona Cobra Coupes by Stauffer Publishing there is a rear 3/4 view of the first 427 Cobra prototype, not the leaf sprung car with the 427 or the flip top with the 390, I mean the first coil sprung one. I can send a picture by snail mail to the forum but meanwhile someone may already know --the car has a glove compartment. I thought the first Competition cars didn't have a glove compartment --it has a decal or something on the side, that I cannot read, picture of a picture, but looks like it maybe Holman & Moody. Sort of a winged thing with something in the center may be about 5" long, above the side vents.I cant imagine with the nasty comments made by some S-A employees about H-M in the book Remembering the Shelby Years that they would put a H & M badge on it but wasn't the H & M badge sort of a long winged thing? There's also the possibility H & M put it in and put the decal on before they sent the car West...what are the chances of that (only reasoning for this is that they had lots of 427 side oilers sitting around) It has some slight flaring to the rear of the rear wheel on the fender lip I believe CSX3002 is owned by a forum member. That was the car Miles drove in Australia at Lakeside in 1966, that car had a smaller grille mouth than most 427s, so did the CSX3001 also have a small 289-style grille cavity? I also seem to remember that CSX3001 was the chassis number of a chassis that went to Ford maybe it is under the XD Cobra/Bordinat Cobra, Jeff Burgy wrote an article about the Bordinat Cobra and said the chassis number but said later it was the wrong number and he couldn't get that to the editor in time. All this is only of historical importance because when I get my dream aluminum body one I either want to copy the style of CSX3002 or the CSX3001 or the twin supercharger one, though the pictures in the article reproduced on the forum from Road & Track 1968 show a different much larger hood scoop on the R & T road test car than the one I saw in person at Mike Fennel's shop. The one at Fennel's shop had a smaller scoop with a sort of wavy front edge. Maybe someone has the Hemmings ad where the IRS auctioned it off to collect the money owed him by the owner, who was a songwriter wrote by The Time I get to Phoenix. thanks for any info from history buffs
3001 was never a car...it was a chassis-only. It did go to Ford and is the frame of the Bordinat car, which still exists. I have seen and touched it. 3002 was the 427 prototype...it had a 289 dash...so did the first few 427 Comp cars. Go see Kirkham for a 3002 hybrid-style car... 289 nose/427 rear, coil spring
Thanks for the detective work. I wonder if anyone knows if the CD Cobra was a private project of Bordinat done at the company expense (like Bill Mitchell's Stingray racer) or an official project from the word "go." Back in those days the head of styling for each company was a minor potentate who could get things done with a snap of their fingers. I have seen it called the Bordinat Cobra which was a bit presumptious as Mitchell never called his Stingray the Mitchell Corvette. The XD Cobra was made of Royalex, a kind of rubber with a memory that would pop out small dents like Saturn doors. I have heard the car had a 289 in it, don't know if that was before or after the 427. I am surprised that Ford could glom onto the first 427 chassis without Shelby getting it, showing tome that Ford had a lot of power in the relationship. Klaus Arning may have shepherded the bodying of the car, I know he had his picture taken with it.He designed the 427 chassis. I thinkthe car looks modern and arguably better thanthe current Cobra Concept car though I like the carved-from-a-billet dash of the current Cobra Concept roadster. I have also seen a picture in a British magazine (maybe Thoroughbred & Classic Cars) of three different Italian made bodies on stretched 427 coil spring chassis, one of these became the AC 428. None of them were the Ghia Cobra, a dark blue car on a 427 chassis with white painted Halibrands. When the XD Bordinat Cobra was at Pebble Beach I thought I heard someone say that and the Aurora II Cobra show car were once donated to a museum and sat there for 20 years ,never being seen because the museum never opened. Then Ford up and discovered the paperwork, went down to the museum and repoed them. Has anyone else read this? I know the location they say it happened, an old Fort about 200 years old on the Detroit river,..Has anyone read that Museum story?
In order: No, yes, yes....not true, the concept roadster is a dog and they know it... and so does the J-boy, yes, no, no and yes. Try to ask shorter questions.
The Bordinat Cobra CSX3001, the silver roadster. The candy-apple red coupe is the Cougar II show car, which I discovered to be CSX 2008. Both cars have had their engines "decommissioned" (no intake, carb, or heads), but the bodies are essentially as they were in the 60's. For SAAC 29 in Michigan, I polished both cars up, and replaced a few missing pieces on the Bordinat roadster (aka the "XD Cobra" - not to be confused with that bloated, ugly silver roadster monstrosity Ford did in 2003). regards, cobrajeff
Hi Jeff Thanks for all the hard work you have done on both cars and having them on disply at SAAC. I saw both cars and it was great to see them in person . Great Job Jeff. Mike
Hello Professor Burgy, Nice to see you are a forum member. I live just a few miles away from Glen O. Jacobsen, outside of Seattle,whom you took over as the GT350 tech person, writing excellent articles for the Shelby Marque, those were the best of days. Hov
Mike - Thanks, glad you enjoyed seeing the cars. It really was a labor of love - it was really fun to uncover two of my all-time favorite Styling cars, and get to work on them, too. I sure wish the museum had the space to put them on display, or at least loan them out to other museums that DO have the space. Hov - Yes, those WERE the good 'ol days weren't they? You'd go to a Shelby meet and know almost everyone there, what cars they drove, and what their kid's names were. Please tell Glen "Hello" from me next time you see him. regards, Jeff