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Interesting Marking on Original Speedway Tire

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Joe Sikora, Feb 14, 2009.

  1. Joe Sikora

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    I was organizing the attic the other day and noticed something on the sidewall of one of my small letter Speedway tires. Just ahead of the "350," you can make out the ghost of the letters "GT" pressing through the top layer of black rubber. The font is the same as the rest of the lettering and is visible on the inside and outside sidewalls. I didn't have a chance to compare the date code with any of the other six original tires I have, but figured I'd post a couple of pictures to see if anyone else has ever noticed this. Kind of tough to take a picture of, this was the best I could do.

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    I see the ghost outline. I can't say I have noticed that before. I think Kenny Beers have some pre production photos of the Speedways but I can't remember the difference. I can understand how that " GT" lettering might have been a good idea matching the Goodyear name with the GT 350 name which Shelby had made famous in 65,66. I could in vision when the GT500 was factored into the equation the good idea became a nightmare thought and the idea in it's beginning stages came screeching to a halt. Just the first theory that came to mind. Bob
     
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    Kind of what I was thinking, Bob. I'd bet this is an early date code tire. I'm guessing they scrubbed the "GT" from the mold for the lower white rubber layer. Since it was getting covered, they didn’t do a thorough job of removing the lettering and after all these years, the ghost is starting to show through. I love finding this kind of stuff :)
     
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    FYI, almost all digital cameras have a "macro" mode that lets you focus on very closeup items. It's usually denoted by a flower somewhere on the camera's settings/buttons.
     
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    Interesting find Joe. Were these small or large letters?

    I'll have to look again at the ones I have here - until then here are a couple of pictures with no sign of the ghost

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    Guess we would next have to compare dates to see if this was just for a little while (until the mold was damaged or replaced)
     
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    Yes, Jeff, this is a small-letter Speedway (see first post). There was no sign of the ghost on any of the other six small letter Speedways I have. I experimented with the close-up and flash settings on my camera and shot the ghost from different angles on both the front and backside of the tire. This was about as good as I could do. We are out of town til the middle of next week, but I will check the date on the tire when we get home and post back.
     
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    Back when I worked at the dealership we would have the ability to glue white letters to black wall tires for customers who wanted custom lettering on their tires. I know what your thinkin..glue letters on tires? Its true and they held up to all kinds of abuse and washes.

    For example we would take a black wall tire and glue white letters on them per customers request. I remeber a customer wanting the words Trans Am on his tires. So, thats what he got.

    It maybe the left over glue or shadow of the GT letter that someone had glued on in the past and the letters have fallen off. If that was the case the black rubber under the GT would have been blocked from the sun and other dirts thus creating a shadow effect.

    Unless of course you are the original owner to that tire and you never put anykind of letters on your tires thus, my input is now invalid.

    Jim
     
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    I never knew that, Jim. The tire has the identical ghost on both sidewalls. I'm thinking there wouldn't be much sense in adding the letters to the backside of the tire. The 350 is not raised white letter, so it would look kind of funny to just say Speedway GT, but I guess anything is possible. I'll scrub the sidewall and see what happens.

    I don't know how to decode it, but the date on the screwed on mold tag on the inside sidewall between Speedway and 350 is MROMK97. I'm guessing 9th week of 67. Any takers?
     
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    I think you are right about the "9th week of 67" thing. Also the MK means that the tire was made in Union City, Tennesse.
     
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    That would be my opinion too.Bob
     
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    Actually that would seem correct based on most date codes but Goodyear had unusual coding. I'll have to dig up my old chart but the first digit is the year, the second is the month. In this case, M , denotes 1966. The second digit is the month but I don't recall what R is off the top of my head. The next digits are the plant code. See this thread from another forum I answered (when I had my chart in front of me :doh:)

    http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1939.0
     
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    I found the old Goodyear date code system on the SAAC forum at:
    http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1939.0

    First digit
    66=M/Z
    67=K/Y
    68=L/T
    69=J/U
    70=E/W
    71=H/X
    72=G/S

    Second digit
    Months are (from 1, Jan, to 12, Dec) T,U,F,S,Y,N,P,A,C,K,E,R

    That would put MROMK97 with a build date of December 1966.
     
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    Thanks, our messages crossed and I found your post on the SAAC forum with a Google search!
     
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    I used to know those codes like the back of my hand. I worked at a Goodyear warranty and recall center in high school (early 70s). We got a lot of free tires back then.
     
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    The 70s? Absolutely
     
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    MROMK97

    So, is this what the code means?

    MR=December 66
    O=Speedway 350
    MK=Plant of origin which is Union City, Tennessee
    97=9th week of 67 model production?
     
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    From TLEA's post on the SAAC forum, I don't think the 97 has anything to do with date of manufacture. OM is the plant code, but I don't know how to decipher it.

    Dave Redman stopped by today to check out the progress on my Model A hotrod and happened to have his camera with him. He took a couple whiz bang close-ups of the GT ghost. I updated the pictures in my original post and have attached them below for reference. You can actually feel the bump in the sidewall of the characters in the underlying casing.

    We rooted through the tires I had in the attic and the one in the trunk of #1547. Turns out I actually had another tire with the GT ghost. Dave also picked up on a detail I had failed to notice. The lettering on the blackwall side of the tire had been highlighted with white paint the way Goodyear used to do on the Blue Streaks and their racing tires.

    While we were at it, we compiled the date code information on all the small letter Speedways I had:

    Nov 1966: Possible GT ghost (This was the tire in the trunk of #1547 and I didn't feel like dragging it outside to get a better look in the daylight)

    Dec 1966: GT ghost on inside and outside sidewalls (MROMK97; pictures posted)

    Jan 1967: GT ghost on inside and outside sidewalls (KTOZP46)

    Apr 1967: No ghost (two tires with this date code)

    Feb 1968: No ghost

    It's starting to looking like the early small letter Speedways had the GT ghost. I don't know how to decypher the plant code, but it is different on the two tires with GT ghosts, so this does not look like an anomaly limited to a singler plant. I have included the full tire codes for both tires for future reference. Next time I'm feeling ambitious, I'll pull the spare in #1547 to see if it lines up with the early date code pattern.

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    I guess MK did not stand for Union City til 1971. In the sixties (pre DOT)Union City was represented by a 4. I don't know what M was that year.
     

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