Something I think that we all need to remember is that the opinions expressed by each lister are valid from that individual's standpoint, even if they may differ from ours. It is all too easy to fall into the trap of thinking ours is the only valid opinion out there, and it is not! We all come from a different backgrounds, different perspectives, and widely varying age groups, so naturally, an individual opinion may be different than what we hold, but that does not make it wrong; it just makes it different. And that's what Freedom of Speech is all about, isn't it? Keep those contrary opinions coming because we all learn from diversity - but let's keep those "trench shovels" we sometimes use to "dig in" our position buried. Respectfully Ron