Re: All this parts stuff

Lee thanks for the history lesson. I think you are forgetting about
how stingy Ford Corporate was and is. Do you think they would reimburse
a dealer for a pricey part that they would have to buy at jobber from a
auto part store when they could solve the problem with a ready available
part they had in production and could get at their MFG cost? I don't
think so. Ask your local parts man how they handle things like recalls
now . little parts like clips and wire and terminal ends they can get
locally or from "BULK" but pricer items like intakes are another story.
There was no problem with supply at the time,they only had the iron
intakes because they couldn't get the engines emission certified in time
for early production deadlines. Do you think a customer would be a
little upset if his "Cobra" Shelby (68's were now called Cobras because
the CSX 3000 series was finished) did not have a Cobra intake but a non
descript edlebrock F4b ?? I would be a little bothered if after paying
all that money my friend down at the local drive end was showing off his
engine compartment and his had a Cobra intake and mine didn't. My point
is, it could happen if a lot of other things went wrong . But the vast
majority of the time it happened the same way each time and that is
what people are usually asking about , the way it was most of the time.
SAAC and MCA concours guidelines which a few of us on this list are
involved with are about preserving the Marque the way the" bark" was on
the "tree" most of the time. There are many ways to enjoy the "forest"
as you put it. I vintage race a modified 65 R model and enjoy the
"forest "that way. I also enjoy the disciplined aspect of restoring the
cars to assembly line like freshness which is yet another way to enjoy
the "forest", it includes knowing WHEN and WERE to use all those
different hoods,steering wheels and tachs you mentioned . Thats only my
opinion but I am sticking to it y'all. Your long winded friend Bob G.
On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, at 09:34 PM, lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote:

> Pardon me, but y'all need to keep couple of things in mind on these
> early Shelby parts. Shelby built race cars, just ask him. He was only
> in the street car business by necessity, so his cars could race. When
> the car came down the line, if a part was not in stock, it was left off
> or something else was substitued. He had serious supplier problems in
> Southern California. How many different hoods were used on the 65 -
> 66's? How many different tachs and steering wheels were used. There
> were different mirrors on the same model. The cars had gotten so
> popular in 67, and his fiberglass suppliers so unreliable, Ford took
> over the production of Shelbys and moved the whole assemby process to
> Dearborn. Now we all know how Ford likes paperwork and numbers. Did
> you know the 68 AO Smith Parts List for Shelbys lists a part number and
> decal set for a 68 supercharged GT350? I have only seen one since I
> saw my first Shelby in 1965. Your intake discussions are another case
> in point.!
> S2MS is a Shelby production part. The intakes said COBRA. Shelby
> marketed his own line of aftermarket parts, often the same part as Ford
> sold, but his said SHELBY. Several manufacturers copied the high rise
> dual plane intakes with only minor changes. Now who is to say when the
> recall of the 68 350's came down to replace the C8 cast iron intakes
> with aluminum ones, the dealer always got them from Ford? They got
> what ever aluminum intake was quickly available. Ford was not building
> collector cars, it was fixing a problem the most expedient way
> possible. I admire y'all trying to make the cars more perfect that
> they were new, but sometimes we get so involved with the bark on the
> tree we tend to forget how to enjoy the forest. Lee Mathias
>
>

 

So does all this back and fourth bantering mean that I can buy a pair of
rear Sears Steady-riders and paint them to match my front original
Autolites?

ha ha

SGB


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gaines" <bgaines@kc.rr.com>
To: <lmathias@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <ShelbyMustang@carmemories.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: All this parts stuff


> Lee thanks for the history lesson. I think you are forgetting about how
> stingy Ford Corporate was and is. Do you think they would reimburse a
> dealer for a pricey part that they would have to buy at jobber from a
> auto part store when they could solve the problem with a ready available
> part they had in production and could get at their MFG cost? I don't
> think so. Ask your local parts man how they handle things like recalls now
> . little parts like clips and wire and terminal ends they can get locally
> or from "BULK" but pricer items like intakes are another story. There was
> no problem with supply at the time,they only had the iron intakes because
> they couldn't get the engines emission certified in time for early
> production deadlines. Do you think a customer would be a little upset if
> his "Cobra" Shelby (68's were now called Cobras because the CSX 3000
> series was finished) did not have a Cobra intake but a non descript
> edlebrock F4b ?? I would be a little bothered if after paying all that
> money my friend down at the local drive end was showing off his engine
> compartment and his had a Cobra intake and mine didn't. My point is, it
> could happen if a lot of other things went wrong . But the vast majority
> of the time it happened the same way each time and that is what people
> are usually asking about , the way it was most of the time. SAAC and MCA
> concours guidelines which a few of us on this list are involved with are
> about preserving the Marque the way the" bark" was on the "tree" most of
> the time. There are many ways to enjoy the "forest" as you put it. I
> vintage race a modified 65 R model and enjoy the "forest "that way. I also
> enjoy the disciplined aspect of restoring the cars to assembly line like
> freshness which is yet another way to enjoy the "forest", it includes
> knowing WHEN and WERE to use all those different hoods,steering wheels and
> tachs you mentioned . Thats only my opinion but I am sticking to it y'all.
> Your long winded friend Bob G.
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2005, at 09:34 PM, lmathias@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>> Pardon me, but y'all need to keep couple of things in mind on these early
>> Shelby parts. Shelby built race cars, just ask him. He was only in the
>> street car business by necessity, so his cars could race. When the car
>> came down the line, if a part was not in stock, it was left off or
>> something else was substitued. He had serious supplier problems in
>> Southern California. How many different hoods were used on the 65 -
>> 66's? How many different tachs and steering wheels were used. There
>> were different mirrors on the same model. The cars had gotten so popular
>> in 67, and his fiberglass suppliers so unreliable, Ford took over the
>> production of Shelbys and moved the whole assemby process to Dearborn.
>> Now we all know how Ford likes paperwork and numbers. Did you know the
>> 68 AO Smith Parts List for Shelbys lists a part number and decal set for
>> a 68 supercharged GT350? I have only seen one since I saw my first
>> Shelby in 1965. Your intake discussions are another case in point.!
>> S2MS is a Shelby production part. The intakes said COBRA. Shelby
>> marketed his own line of aftermarket parts, often the same part as Ford
>> sold, but his said SHELBY. Several manufacturers copied the high rise
>> dual plane intakes with only minor changes. Now who is to say when the
>> recall of the 68 350's came down to replace the C8 cast iron intakes with
>> aluminum ones, the dealer always got them from Ford? They got what ever
>> aluminum intake was quickly available. Ford was not building collector
>> cars, it was fixing a problem the most expedient way possible. I admire
>> y'all trying to make the cars more perfect that they were new, but
>> sometimes we get so involved with the bark on the tree we tend to forget
>> how to enjoy the forest. Lee Mathias
>>
>>
>