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Rear end feels like it wanders

Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by Texas GT350, Apr 5, 2010.

  1. Texas GT350

    Texas GT350 Well-Known Member

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    I have rebuilt the front end, new Koni shocks, springs, A frames, and installed poly bushings. On the rear end I put in new Koni shocks, poly bushing on rear springs, and add a rear sway bar. I did not replace the rear springs as they appeared to be newer and in good condition.

    The car was aligned and drives handles well and seems stable at lower speeds. Under acceleration the rear end feels like it is wandering around and is really noticeable, the higher the speed the more it feels like it is moving around. It is manageable but seems strange, any ideas what could be causing this? At steady highway speeds it is rock solid, just under acceleration (not the tires breaking loose).

    One more thing, when the alignment was done the tech said he could not put in the proper chamber on the right hand side, he recommended a chassis shop that can look it over, it seems that shock towers over time can collapse making adjustment harder to obtain. Not sure if this can be cause or not.

    Ron
     
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    A couple of things:
    One thing you didn't mention is the tires. Are they new radials, or old bias ply tires?
    The bias ply tires tend to "crack walk", meaning they'll follow the road's dips, cracks, etc. This is if you have them on the car.

    The mechanic means "Camber". It usually is matched side to side, or at least within a half of degree. Lets say if he set one side, but left the unadjustable side alone, this might be part of the problem. But, since on an 65/66 Mustang it is a matter of adding alinement shims, it comes down to this. Is there enough thread on the upper control arm mounting bolts for more shims? If there is thread, there is room. Not enough thread, well he just might be correct about a sagged shock tower (or a past rough life)
    Or, are you also willing to install an adjustable lower control arm mounting, like the 67/68's have?
    One other thing; You might want to check this over with yet another shop
     
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    Very strange. The use of the Monte Carlo Bar in conjunction with the Export Brace should mitigate any tendency for the shock towers to collapse. As your mechanic suggested, a good frame shop should be able to tell you if the car is straight. I'd take that advice.
     
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    I should have noted that I just put on a brand new set of Michelin Radials. From what I could gather the lower control arm needs to be pulled more towards the front end so the adjustable lower control arm mounting you are talking about might be the solution. I have an appointment this Friday at a chassis shop that has experience with this problem, I will let you know what they find out.
     
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    Just to properly eliminate the tires as a problem here, swap the fronts with the rears.
     
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    Texas GT350 Well-Known Member

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    Good idea but the tires have about 20 miles on them. I checked the air pressure and all are at 30 psi which seem about right, but not sure.
     
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    I would take off that new rear sway bar & see if the problem goes away.

    Z. Ray
     
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    Texas GT350 Well-Known Member

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    I think that is a good idea, it is not that hard to do and may shed light on the problem.

    Thanks for the tip,
    Ron
     
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    When you accelerate the nose lifts and the rear squats.

    If the relationship of the steering parts gets messed up you can get a condition called "bump steer" that will manifest itself as the suspension moves up and down. It causes really squirrelly things to happen.

    Or if the rear axle is not lined up as it should the up and down action of the rear springs could cause it to "steer" the car. Or the locker in the rear end is feeding power to one axle and not the other.
     
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    I has a problem with a 70 fastback and a 4 speed, the rear end felt like it was shifting around, turns out one of the bearings was going out in the rear end, letting everything move around, ended up blowing up and eating the ring gear about 2 in the moring, that was a long walk back to the house when I was in high school!
     
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    The car appears to be fixed. I took it to a chassis place this morning and after they drove the car they said it was the adjustment on steering gear box. I was doubtful but after they worked on it for less than 5 minutes told be to take it for a spin and it was okay. They then rechecked the alignment and it was good too.

    Under acceleration it is straight as an arrow, turns easier too. Being to tight any turn of the wheel would cause the car to move in that direction, so much of the wander was caused by me just holding on to the steering wheel.

    I think the gear box is worn and probably needs to be replaced as the on center seems too loose. The wheel has about 15 degrees of play from one side to the other before you can feel the engagement, if that makes sense. The chassis place said it needed to be replaced if I did not like the play, they cautioned about rebuilds saying most are no better than what I have now. A place that rebuilds a lot of Mustangs recommended the Flaming River unit, says it works well. I will consider it over the next few weeks.

    Anyway, for now it appears to be okay. Thanks for all the input it was really helpful.
     
  12. shlby66

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    Just have your stock steering box rebuilt by a reputable source. You will
    be happy and save a lot of money:thumbup:

    Theres not too many happy endings at Flaming RiverB)
     
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    +1 . Bob
     

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