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    daltondavid

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    The 33rd Annual SAAC convention is being held in Millville New Jersey at the brand new and exciting Thunderbolt Raceway track!! All are invited to attend and participate at the event others aspire to be like. for more information go to www.saac.com see you there!~Dave :thumbsup:
     
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    I have been hearing rumors that the event just before SAAC 33 was cancelled because those people didnt think the track would be ready. Is this true? I heard that VIR is the backup track in case the track does not come together on time? Could you fill me in?

    Vern
     
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    Come on Vern, that's not true. I will be there. Not sure where you digging this stuff up. Maybe a Tulsa rumor? A forum is one thing, but the rumor mill is running crazy. I heard some things from Tulsa too, you want me to post those up?
     
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    Hey Pete ill be at SAAC 33 just like you.....
    From what i am hearing from you, that is not true? If the answer is no then just feel free to say it....you could have saved yourself 47 words.

    I am not trying to mislead people in anyway, that is why i stated that i heard a "rumor". And no, this is no "Tulsa Rumor". I heard this just a day or so ago and, to anyone outside "the know" at SAAC or ThunderBolt, it could sound completely legitimate. Besides, i didnt post that the convention would be called off, the person i heard it from even told me that VIR would be the backup and that the convention would continue regardless.

    As for you spreading "Tulsa Rumors", i guess you can have at it if spreading rumors is your thing. Besides, you wont be stepping on my toes as i am not one of the guys who worked long, hard, grueling hours to put together an event that featured a cruise night 750 cars strong, a fantastic couple of days of road/drag racing, and the largest gathering of Boss 9s ever. Besides, any "rumors" you post would be just like what i posted a few hours ago, a "rumor"....nothing more, nothing less.

    I guess what i am saying is i dont understand what exactly MidAmerica has to do with dispelling a certain rumor about a saac convention. If you just sit back an think for a second, you may even realize that my post, combined with your gracious answer, might have just cleared someone else in cyberland up on a RUMOR they had heard.

    Best Regards,
    Vern
     
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    I think you missed the point (several times)...I did say "no".

    By posting this you are perpetuating the "rumor", by saying it's just a rumor doesn't give you cover.

    If I was about spreading false information, I would post a lot more.

    The reference to Tulsa is apparently obvious to me, since that region of the Shelby Club has seperated itself from SAAC.

    I know you read other forums and could easily determine if the convention was moved. Even if VIR is a backup, what does that have to do with anything?

    It appears to me that whomever started the "rumor" was just trying to be an agitator, but I may be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

    I can say as of this post, the convention in New Jersey is still on.


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    This is my last post on this thread as i dont think we are being constructive even to the slightest degree.

    I know you said "no" pete, it just bothers me that you have to somehow make things more personal than they should be. By threatening to start posting Tulsa Rumors, you are slightly suggesting that i was trying to hurt the livelyhood of SAAC or the convention. Heres what seems to be bothering me. Since this lawsuit has started, things that are so far from personal have become personal. At the slightest mention of a potential problem, people just seem to go straight to questioning someone's honesty or integrity. It seems like everybody is trying to bash someone else for nothing and i am starting to get tired of it. These forums are fun, but whenever something gets personal, like things always are now, it really sucks a good chunck of the fun out.

    If you look at this....
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor

    As you can see a rumor is "unconfirmed". Therefore, by specifically posting that i heard a "Rumor" my a## is pretty much covered. I wasnt trying to mislead people about the convention. In fact, my intentions were for this RUMOR to be dispelled publicly so that no other Enthusiast gets screwed.

    Also, your statement about the midamerica region seperating itself from saac could not be more flawed, and that is all i am alotted to say about that.

    The fact that VIR would be a backup was determined as a good thing to me.....but then again that was just another part of the rumor i heard. Is VIR the backup?...i think that would be valuable info, god forbid, something go wrong.

    Furthermore, the person who told me this was not trying to be an agitator, that would be extremely counterproductive in his case. As you said, it wouldnt be the first time and that is a shame. Those who post that kind of crap make it hard for people like me to post anytype of "Rumor" in order to simply get a strait answer for once without the question being turned into something that it is not.

    Im glad that the convention is still on in New Jersey! As i said, i will be there. For the record, i guess the reason that i was so legitimately concerned about this rumor is that i am spending my own money, what little i have, to pay for flights and hotel rooms that are already nailed down. It is kind of concerning for a guy like me when i hear something of this nature.

    Finally, i like you pete. I think you are a really great guy. I also think that your website is the best reference for 68 shelbys on the entire web, especially for the special interest stuff like all the stories about special cars/colors!

    I think the point of this post is that we both have misunderstood each others posts, plain and simple. My bad, i apologize. Seeya in NJ.

    BEst Regards,
    Vern
     
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    All points well taken Vern. I really appreciate both the Tulsa region and the national Club. I only wish the best for both because I have made many friends.

    Thanks for the compliments on the website too.
     
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    Vern, I can confirm that you are spreading rumors. :laf: SAAC 33 is still on and I look forward to seeing you there!
     
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    I won't post the definition of the word fact here but the fact is when Thunderbolt was under construction and the unpredictibilities of winter/spring weather VIR was the backup given by the track owners. Everything I've seen and heard is the track is on schedule and will be ready for SAAC 33. See you there.
     
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    MILLVILLE — For more than a year, earth movers have been sculpting rolling hills and walls of sound-deadening dirt from a flat tract of cleared, sandy soil in Cumberland County for an estimated $175 million car buff's wonderland.



    After 20 years and nearly as many proposals, the first of two and possibly three asphalt race tracks in the New Jersey Motorsports Park will open Saturday. The second will open in August.

    "Bring it on. We can't wait. More traffic around here means more money and this is supposed to be a rich crowd," said Tett Robinson, bartender at the Rusti Nail Pub & Grill on Main Street.

    In addition to the 2.3-mile Thunderbolt track and the 1.9-mile Lightning raceway, the park will offer racing options for high-performance go-carts, off-road vehicles, motorcycles and sports cars. It also has a swank clubhouse for members, dozens of garages to rent by the day or week, a driving school and the chance to buy $450,000 condominiums in the thick of the noise and exhaust fumes.

    If the park becomes the automotive mecca that its investors predict, the final phase -- perhaps 10 years from now -- will bring hotels, a convention center and a three-quarter-mile oval track.

    Once the project is completed, Millville expects to collect $5 million a year in property taxes. Meanwhile, under a 15-year tax abatement, the city will get 2 percent of the project's cost per year in lieu of taxes. At the five-year mark, Millville anticipates $2 million a year, said Don Ayres, the city's economic development director.

    The densely populated corridor between New York City and Washington, D.C., is "grossly underserved as a racing destination," said Joseph G. Savaro, managing partner of the park who discovered the land while looking for a shopping center site.

    Other investors include Lee Brahin of Cherry Hill, an amateur racer and commercial Realtor; Harvey Siegel of New York, developer and owner of Virginia International Raceway, and R.J. Valentine, a professional racer and owner of a premier go-carting business in Boston.

    "The magnitude of this project is just thrilling," said Savaro of Blue Bell, Pa., on a recent spin around the pristine tracks.

    About $13 million in state and federal funds has been pumped into the project for site remediation and to deliver water and sewer. Preliminary approval also has been granted for a $5 million grant from the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority.

    Additional funding was created last year through special legislation that allows the owners to increase the sales tax on purchases and expenses by 2 percent. That money will bounce back from the state Treasury to the owners as reimbursement for infrastructure expenses. Since Millville already has a reduced sales tax, the law will hike the levy from 3.5 percent to to 5.5 percent.

    The project already affected the cost of area real estate.

    Investors paid $3.7 million for 707 acres from the city five years ago, which equates to about $5,200 an acre. The city hopes to sell a nearby tract for an industrial park at $40,000 an acre.

    Millville officials, who have been struggling to reinvent the depressed city once driven by glass factories and lumber mills, expect the park's impact to be transformational.

    "I'm absolutely ecstatic with the progress. They have events scheduled every day through October. I can't wait for the races to begin to see the socioeconomic impact on the city," said Vice Mayor Joe Derella.

    Employment at the park expects to build from its opening-day total of about 150 workers to 1,500 when it is complete.

    So far, about 130 people have paid a $10,000 start-up membership fee, plus $2,400 a year for annual dues. The fee will jump to $15,000 July 1.

    Interest in the park's 20 efficiency apartments that line the track and rent for $2,400 a weekend has also been "very high," according to Savaro.

    Despite a wretched housing market, Savaro said 40 people have expressed interest in buying one of 182 condos in the park. Construction of the residences is set to begin next month.

    Christopher Hoffner, a self-described race fan from Woodbury, said he is eager for the park to succeed. He is hopeful that the oval track ultimately will be able to attract a NASCAR event.

    "After World War II, car racing was a really big sport," Hoffner said. "It used to go hand-in-hand with county fairs. But just like the farms in New Jersey, the number of tracks here have declined."

    Racing is still huge, but its biggest fans are older with money to spend.

    "The Millville operation seems very ambitious and smart because they appear to be courting the youth market. The $200-per-year season spectator pass for this year is extremely reasonable," Hoffner said.

    The park has no immediate plans for bleachers. Savvy spectators will bring their own chairs and settle in on a spot along the race course.

    The Woodbury race fan describes himself as a guy who builds dirt cars in his garage, spends about $50,000 on his hobby and loves to spend a day at the track inhaling fumes and beating back mosquitoes.

    "Times have changed. People want to stay indoors with a video and air conditioning. They've become more housebound," he said.

    If the race track triggers traffic jams in Millville's street, Maryann Connor said she would not mind having that kind of problem.

    "We have a very successful Third Friday that attracts people to our galleries, but that's only one day a month. Otherwise, we're pretty slow around here. I really don't know anybody here who is opposed," she said.

    The New Jersey Motorsports Park may be the state's first resort community that does not permit property owners to live there year-round and to send their children to the local schools. In their absence the condo association will rent the property or arrange for time-sharing.

    "Our target audience for the condos are race fans who may have one or even two homes elsewhere, or corporations that want to buy a home to entertain clients in or as a perk for executives," said Savaro. "The arrangement is similar to golf communities in the south or ski resorts in the north.".

    Reach Eileen Stilwell at (856) 486-2464 or estilwell@courierpostonline.com
     
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    I hope the article posted helps to clear up any confusion. :thumbsup:
     
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    I lied...:laf::laf::laf::laf:

    Article sounds cool.

    Im guessing that they wouldnt really need a "backup" of sorts since the "Lightning Raceway" is all ready, right?

    Best Regards,
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    I have a whole drawer full of SAAC shirts, but I just have lost interest in attending. The high cost of gas for a vehicle dragging a car in a trailer is one of the biggest reasons for not going this year. I'm also tired of the SAAC vs Shelby garbage, tired of being told I need to pay into to the legal fund everytime I look at the newsletter and SAAC webpage. I know what it costs to rent a big race track for a club event, and I am sickened by what SAAC charges people for the open track event. I look at all the other miscellaneous things people can do, garages, etc and just laugh at the $$ being charged. I'm sure I'll be back sometime, but as for now, forget it. Just one guys' opinion.
     
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    I feel for you on this.......... I to will not be going to many Events now because of the cost of Gas............... and I drive my Show Car.

    David.
     
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