I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT
A couple of other minor things - being a Dearborn car, should the grille support be slop gray? And, also that doesn't look like an Autolite or SMCO radiator cap Beautiful car, though. At 09:26 AM 4/7/05, Gary Heyd wrote: >I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess >all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a >car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full >repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is >allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? >Gary ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT
My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after 35 or so years........................... ha ha ps - Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT
Given my last e mail text I would say a "survivor car" is a "surviving example" of a car (in any shape or form). Good point, Colin.......................... SGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/?link=survivor2 They're a little arrogant, don't you think? At 09:45 AM 4/8/05, Stephen G. Becker wrote: >My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after >35 or so years........................... > >ha ha > >ps - > >Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:colin@colinsclassicauto.com>Colin Comer >To: <mailto:wdiamond5@earthlink.net>Gary Heyd ; ><mailto:Shelbymustang@carmemories.com>shelby mustang >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM >Subject: Re: survivor car > >Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, >but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - >LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement >parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and >perhaps some replacement items? > >No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys >consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark >infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a >certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very >particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than >80% original paint I seem to recall. > >Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? > >Regards, >Colin >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:wdiamond5@earthlink.net>Gary Heyd >To: <mailto:Shelbymustang@carmemories.com>shelby mustang >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM >Subject: survivor car > >I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess >all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a >car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full >repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is >allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? >Gary ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
That is why I own Shelby's and would never own a Corvette....................... SGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Greene To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: survivor car http://www.bloomingtongold.com/?link=survivor2 They're a little arrogant, don't you think? At 09:45 AM 4/8/05, Stephen G. Becker wrote: My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after 35 or so years........................... ha ha ps - Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
I watched SURVIVOR last night...... There was only one SURVIVOR from the plane crash.... Who sang the theme song to Rocky....SURVIVOR...... Who will be the last living SURVIVOR from World War II?........ It seems as though you shouldn't be able to copyright words of the english language. By reading there letter regarding the use of the word, it seems we only need to be worried about using it if we are referring to Corvettes. They only judge Corvettes so how can they have sole propriety of a word used to describe any car? Anyone feel like spending a bunch of maney to fight for principle? Thank you, Mike McCullough 405-760-6732 cell 405-330-4535 office www.worldwidemusclecars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen G. Becker To: Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: survivor car That is why I own Shelby's and would never own a Corvette....................... SGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Greene To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: survivor car http://www.bloomingtongold.com/?link=survivor2 They're a little arrogant, don't you think? At 09:45 AM 4/8/05, Stephen G. Becker wrote: My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after 35 or so years........................... ha ha ps - Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
Fighting for principals gets expensive. Did the corvette guys also trademark the word "asshole" (?) because everytime one of them NCRS/Bloomington Gold guys calls me about getting into the Shelby market that is all I can think about................... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike McCullough To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: survivor car I watched SURVIVOR last night...... There was only one SURVIVOR from the plane crash.... Who sang the theme song to Rocky....SURVIVOR...... Who will be the last living SURVIVOR from World War II?........ It seems as though you shouldn't be able to copyright words of the english language. By reading there letter regarding the use of the word, it seems we only need to be worried about using it if we are referring to Corvettes. They only judge Corvettes so how can they have sole propriety of a word used to describe any car? Anyone feel like spending a bunch of maney to fight for principle? Thank you, Mike McCullough 405-760-6732 cell 405-330-4535 office www.worldwidemusclecars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen G. Becker To: Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: survivor car That is why I own Shelby's and would never own a Corvette....................... SGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Greene To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: survivor car http://www.bloomingtongold.com/?link=survivor2 They're a little arrogant, don't you think? At 09:45 AM 4/8/05, Stephen G. Becker wrote: My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after 35 or so years........................... ha ha ps - Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Stephen G. Becker wrote: > Fighting for principals gets expensive. > > Did the corvette guys also trademark the word "asshole" (?) because >everytime one of them NCRS/Bloomington Gold guys calls me about getting >into the Shelby market that is all I can think about................... The more things change the more they stay the same. An old friend of Lee Mathias' and myself name Lew Latham used to autocross 5S225 with all of us. Lew's shelby always looked..... well rough is a complimentative term. But the car always sounded and ran great. Lew ran the car hard, very hard for a very long time. Lew used to regularly say "Corvettes belong in car shows, Shelbys belong on the race track!!" He was adamant about that feeling. I think that Stepehen's thoughts are typically Lew's feeling about most Corvette owners. I think about Lew often, whenever I hear you guys debate about the correct casting on a fuel pump, I can hear Lew's words echo in back of my mind. Times have changed. Calvin http://www.highrpm.net
I think it was with "Mr." in front of it.....LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen G. Becker To: Mike McCullough ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: survivor car Fighting for principals gets expensive. Did the corvette guys also trademark the word "asshole" (?) because everytime one of them NCRS/Bloomington Gold guys calls me about getting into the Shelby market that is all I can think about................... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike McCullough To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: survivor car I watched SURVIVOR last night...... There was only one SURVIVOR from the plane crash.... Who sang the theme song to Rocky....SURVIVOR...... Who will be the last living SURVIVOR from World War II?........ It seems as though you shouldn't be able to copyright words of the english language. By reading there letter regarding the use of the word, it seems we only need to be worried about using it if we are referring to Corvettes. They only judge Corvettes so how can they have sole propriety of a word used to describe any car? Anyone feel like spending a bunch of maney to fight for principle? Thank you, Mike McCullough 405-760-6732 cell 405-330-4535 office www.worldwidemusclecars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen G. Becker To: Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang ; Mike Greene Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: survivor car That is why I own Shelby's and would never own a Corvette....................... SGB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Greene To: Stephen G. Becker ; Colin Comer ; Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: survivor car http://www.bloomingtongold.com/?link=survivor2 They're a little arrogant, don't you think? At 09:45 AM 4/8/05, Stephen G. Becker wrote: My understanding of a "survivor" car is that the car is still here after 35 or so years........................... ha ha ps - Is the word "survivor car" really trademarked by the Bloomington Gold people? ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Comer To: Gary Heyd ; shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: survivor car Good question, I was wondering the same when I saw the car. Nice piece, but, IMHO, a sur#*!or (worried about The Corvette Guys coming to get me - LOL) should be original paint and very little detailing or replacement parts? Stephen's car looked to have some detailing under the hood and perhaps some replacement items? No disrespect intended, just wondering myself what the Shelby guys consider a "surviving example" (note: surviving example is not a trademark infringement). I know that the Corvette guys and Mopar guys only allow a certain percentage of the paint to have been done. The GTOAA is very particular, you will not get a preservation award if the car has less than 80% original paint I seem to recall. Looking forward to the official word from our leaders. BG? Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Heyd To: shelby mustang Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: survivor car I was looking at this car and see it described as a "survivor". I guess all 35 year old cars are in some ways, but what are the parameters for a car to be considered a "survivor" for judging? I would imagine a full repaint would not be allowed but what percentage of repaint is allowed? What else can or cannot be done to the car? Gary http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...d=1,1&item=4540265882&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05 Mike Greene TENA Website Curator Trideum Corporation 256.704.6113 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/05
