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Discussion in '1965-1970 Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500' started by popawheelie, Jan 9, 2006.

  1. popawheelie

    popawheelie Member

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    to produce the GT500 in 67 and 68? Was it a vin stamped car? Plain old C codes? Is the vin hidden under the Shelby plate on the fender?
     
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    Well they were basically S codes. 67's received a Q designation, 68's got a S for the 500's and R for 500 KR's
     
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    Find a C code under a Shelby Plate and you bought a Bad Car!!:guns:
     
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    Thanks for the info. Are you saying Ford stamped the car with a Q or R instead of the S? Why would they use the S code car? It would seem that it would have been cheaper for Ford to use the C code. Other than the bigger motor which Shelby didn't even use, why did they use the S code Mustang?

    Did they make a Shelby GT500 in 1969? If so, what base model did they use? The 428? How many did they make in 1969?
     
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    Read again. S was used for the 68 500's. The reason S code cars were used was so they would have the reinforced shock towers and other related big block attire.
     
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    I think I read it right. What I'm asking is if the S code can be found under the Shelby stamp. Or is that code a Q or an R.

    What other attire is there other than the reinforced shock towers?

    Also, what Ford code did they use for the 69 and 70 GT500's?
     
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    In 1968, the codes are not the same as the regular production Mustang codes. Shelby did not swap motors or remove them. Motors were installed by Ford. Ford built "S code" cars that were actually 428 Police Interceptor cars in 1968. So, in reality, an "S code" car could be EITHER a 390 (Mustang) or a 428 (Shelby GT500 only). They just never supplied the "S code/428" cars to the general public only to Shelby. That's why all these so called factory Paxton, 427 cars and other conconctions are all crap (after 1967), because they would have voided drivetrain warranties on perfectly good new cars.

    So, In 1968, a Shelby could have a J code/302, an S code/428PI or the R code/428 Cobra Jet. The codes are stamped into the bodies by Ford and consistant with all the Shelby added tags affixed to the vehicle.

    In 1969 the engine codes are the same as Mustangs. You get either an "M-code" 351 or a "R-coded" 428 CJ.

    :guitar:
     
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    Point of order: SAAC knows exactly what Ford vin goes to what Shelby vin.
    AND ALL THEY WILL DO IS CONFIRM TO YOU THAT THEY AGREE WITH THIER RECORDS. I like it that way. keeps the fakes out.
     
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    OK, then I'm not sure you understand. Whatever code the car is (S,R,Q etc) is what is in all stamped VIN locations. Under tag, windshield.
    So why the interest?:unsure:
     
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    I'm just curious how Ford handled the cars that were sent to Shelby. I'm not interested in what Shelby did with them afterwards as that information is pretty apparent in books and such.

    From everything I read here for the GT500, the S code cars from Ford were not stamped with the S in the fifth digit, but instead used a Q in 67, an S or an R in 68, and an R in 69 and 70. I'm talking about the numbers stamped at the Ford factories, not by Shelby. I appreciate the info.

    I'd still like to know what, other than the welded shock towers, drew the requirement to use the big block coded Ford cars for the GT500's for all years. You would think it would have been cheaper for Ford to send them a standard coded car.

    No penalties for education, right? If you could point me to a book with information about the Ford side of the Shelby cars, I would be appreciative. :cigar:
     
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    Spring rates ,front and rear are different as well as the tower reinforcements.
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    OK, other than 67 which received a Q, the vin stampings on 68-70 gave no indication whether or not car was Shelby. Obviously the vin # from Ford matched a Shelby # but if you just read the Ford vin you would have no way of knowing it was a Shelby. As far as the appointments Shelby received @ Ford the list is long but the best way to explain it is they were like any other car in that a build sheet contained info pertaining to what the car was equipped with. Little was in common with S code brethren as springs, axle code, engine, trans. even guage cluster were specific to car. Add to that deluxe interior leave off the parts not used and off to AO Smith it went. Pete may chime in on the R codes (KRs) as I believe they shared more with the CJ Mustangs than the S (500s) codes did with S code Mustangs
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    Thanks for the great info TLEA. Peeks my interest now more than ever as to why the S code? Other than the welded towers that anyone could learn to weld up in an hour. Why not just pull the same K code for all Shelby's...keep it simple.

    I imagine you have garnered this information through years of experience? No good book on this stuff?
     
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    do you mean K code engine? K codes were not available after 67.
     
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    Sorry, K, J or M...whatever the base model was built.
     
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    Started in 1974 when I bought my first, a Nightmist blue 17K mile GT 500. Lots of questions, listening to knowedgable people and the best teachers, the cars themselves.
    Tim
     
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    We're all just wondering why the fixation on using a comon "C" code? The Shelbys were built on the best available stock. Using the higest of the Hi-performance equipment available. And Ford didn't "give" Shelby the cars, they were all specially ordered with the heavy duty things available.
     
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    On the 69 and 70 Shelby's the 6th and 7th position in the vin will be 48. This indicates it is a Shelby.
     
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    Not sure if that's directed at me or not.

    But it is my question in a nutshell. What was different on the base C-Code as compared to the S-Code other than welded shock towers...that wasn't a standard option? Pull the motor out of a K or S code and you get basically a C-Code body...correct?
     
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    I didn't know that. See you learn something new every day
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